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Subject: Newsgroup FAQ v2.00 - Welcome to comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets.

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Archive-name: www/stylesheets/newsgroup-faq Posting-Frequency: once a week Last-modified: 2004-07-26 Version: 2.00 URL: <http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-mFAQ.html> Maintainer: Jan Roland Eriksson <rex@css.nu>
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets meta-FAQ v2.00 _______________________________________________________________________ 00: ===== T O C ===== 01: What is <comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets>? 02: What kinds of posts are acceptable in this newsgroup? 03: What kinds of posts may be acceptable in this newsgroup? 04: What kinds of posts are not acceptable in this newsgroup? 05: Where are the technical resources for this newsgroup? 06: How do I get best possible response to my articles? 07: What is the atmosphere of 'ciwas'? 08: Where can I find the latest version of this FAQ? 09: ===== E N D ===== _______________________________________________________________________ 01: ===== Q & A ===== Q: What is <comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets>? A: This is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed for creation by votes of 166:19 as reported in <news.announce.newgroups> on 1997-03-20. The charter of this newsgroup, taken from the vote result announcement, is: "This unmoderated newsgroup is intended for the discussion of Web style sheets. Style sheets can make an author's life much easier. With style sheets, one only needs to specify presentational pre- ferences once, and the style can be applied to an entire site. Not only that, but style sheets also reduce download time when one file contains all the style information." 02: ===== Q & A ===== Q: What kinds of posts are acceptable in this newsgroup? A: This newsgroup is a forum for discussion of style sheet technology and usage that is applicable to the WWW. Examples of valid topics for this newsgroup include: * How to achieve a particular effect with style sheets. * The relative advantages of different style sheet languages. * Specifications versus implementations. * Bugs and limitations in implementations. 03: ===== Q & A ===== Q: What kinds of posts may be acceptable in this newsgroup? A: Articles on related WWW subjects (e.g. (X)HTML mark-up, scripting languages, etc.) that may be required for a full discussion of a specific style sheet problem. In general terms: * articles on (X)HTML mark-up should be posted to <comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html> * articles on XML mark-up should be posted to <comp.text.xml> * articles on DSSSL may be posted to <comp.text.sgml> but the most correct forum might be the DSSSL mailing list at <DSSSList@lists.mulberrytech.com> which has a main WWW entry at <http://www.mulberrytech.com/dsssl/dssslist/> * articles on the Java programming language should be posted to a suitable NG in the <comp.lang.java.*> hierarchy. * articles on the scripting languages Javascript and Jscript should be posted to <comp.lang.javascript> * articles on other types of client side, or server side, scripting and/or programming languages should be posted to the newsgroup or mailing list most appropriate to the particular language. A search at <http://www.google.com> may be of help to find the correct forum for articles that are directly off-topic for <comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets> 04: ===== Q & A ===== Q: What kind of posts are not acceptable in this newsgroup? A: Some examples of inappropriate posts include: * Chain letters, including "Make Money Fast" articles. * Known hoaxes (like the "Good Times Virus"). * Announcements of non-relevant Web pages and services. * Personal introductions or requests for e-mail. * Off topic articles, questions or responses. * Test articles. * Articles cross-posted to several newsgroups where the article is off-topic for one or more of the newsgroups in the cross- post list. * Articles posted as separate copies to many groups. * Articles with significantly more quoted than new content. * Articles offering items for sale and commercial advertisements. * Articles which aren't primarily text in a standard alphabet (e.g. binaries, pictures, Rot13, etc). The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) gives advice on how to post to usenet in 'RFC1855' <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt>. Follow those recommendations whenever you post to usenet and your articles should be well received not only in 'ciwas' but also in any other newsgroup you may want to visit. 05: ===== Q & A ===== Q: Where are the technical resources for this newsgroup? A: Available information on the subject of style sheets is too exten- sive to be directly written into a posted document like this meta- FAQ. It is suggested that you research your technical questions on the use of style sheets in one or more of the following places on the WWW. * Style sheet information from the World Wide Web Consortium (also known as the W3C) starts at <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/> and continues at <http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/> - The official recommendation for Cascading Style Sheets level 1 (aka CSS1) <http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1> - The official recommendation for Cascading Style Sheets level 2 (aka CSS2) <http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/> - The official errata document for Cascading Style Sheets level 2 (which is no longer maintained, in favor of the current ongoing work on the CSS2.1 specification) <http://www.w3.org/Style/css2-updates/REC-CSS2-19980512-errata.html> - The official Candidate recommendation for Cascading Style Sheets level 2.1 (which is currently a "work in progress" document) <http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/> - The official recommendation for XSL Transformations (XSLT) Version 1.0 <http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt> - The official recommendation for XML Path Language (XPath) Version 1.0 <http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath> - The official recommendation for Extensible Stylesheet Language (XSL/XSL-FO) Version 1.0 <http://www.w3.org/TR/xsl/> * Information on other style sheet capable languages, document transformation methods and specifications. - Document Style Semantics and Specification Language (DSSSL) <http://www.mulberrytech.com/dsssl/dssslist/> - Formatting Output Specification Instance (FOSI) <http://xml.coverpages.org/gov-apps.html#mil2167a> - Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals (IETM) <http://www.ietm.net/> <http://navycals.dt.navy.mil/cals/documents/sp87269A.pdf> - International Committee for Accessible Document Design (ICADD) <http://xml.coverpages.org/ICADDiso.html> <http://xml.coverpages.org/ICADDpur.html> It should be noted that the HTML2 DTD was designed to be ICADD compatible <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1866.txt> * Syntax checkers for CSS are available online from here <http://www.htmlhelp.org/tools/csscheck/> (CSS1 primarily) <http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/> * True HTML syntax validators are available online from here <http://www.htmlhelp.org/tools/validator/> <http://valet.webthing.com/page/> <http://validator.w3.org/> * A commercial Windows front for James Clark's 'nsgmls' SGML parser/validator is available from here <http://arealvalidator.com/> * In need of a good, all purpose (X)HTML - CSS, editor for the WIN environment? Go to <http://www.notetab.com/>. It's available in a full sized commercial version as well as a slightly scaled down free version, but its real value lies in the vast amount of free add-in "clips" available for it. True DTD based validation of your markup is just one of the modules that you do not have to pay extra to have at your fingertips. * W3C has a CSS test suite available, the work to design that test suite was originally done by Eric A. Meyer but today it's main- tained by Bert Bos. <http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/> * Eric Meyer's "Complex Spiral Demo" became a "classic example" at the same time it was published. Eric shows the full capacity of CSS1 (combined with a few, very basic, pick up's from CSS2) <http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/complexspiral/demo.html> * Todd Fahrner once designed a set of core stylesheets that was placed on the W3C server system. Todd has found other (maybe more valuable) interests in life as compared to participating in discussions in 'ciwas' but his original excellent work is still available, now maintained by Bert Bos. <http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/Core/> * The Web Design Group has a CSS reference here <http://www.htmlhelp.org/reference/css/> * The authoring FAQ for this newsgroup is at <http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-aFAQ.html> * The HTML Writers Guild CSS FAQ, originally produced by Eva von Pepel a few years back. Still claimed to be maintained by Eva but has not been updated for quite some time <http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/cssFAQ.html> * To save some time on Google evaluations we have here a list of CSS educational sites as taken from the two first result pages from Google on the simple search key 'CSS'. Most of these sites gets recommended every now and then by regulars here in 'ciwas'. <http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp> <http://www.csszengarden.com/> <http://glish.com/css/> <http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/> <http://css.nu/> <http://css.maxdesign.com.au/> <http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/> <http://www.westciv.com/style_master/house/index.html> <http://www.alistapart.com/topics/css/> 06: ===== Q & A ===== Q: How do I get best possible response to my articles? A: First, please search this newsgroup for recent discussion of your issue(s) [a]. Those of you who have already built some level of confidence in the use of CSS may also want to reconfirm with avail- able CSS specifications that the problem seen really is a "problem" in the first place and not an expected effect of your CSS. Next, make sure your (X)HTML markup is valid and that your CSS is correctly formed; see Q&A #5 for links to CSS specs, (X)HTML vali- dators and CSS checkup resources. If the problem remains, get your code pared down to a bare minimum, which still shows the problem, and upload it to a www server. When posting, indicate what browser(s)/version(s) you are using to view your example, also indicate what you feel is wrong, and what you'd like to have happen instead, and include the URL to the test case you've just prepared. This process often reveals the problem before you even have to ask, and it saves time and effort for the helpful regulars who really do want to assist you. [a]<http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets> is an effective tool to search previous discussions in ciwas. 07: ===== Q & A ===== Q: What is the atmosphere of 'ciwas'? A: Well, "strict" may be a short definition. If you're new to Usenet, you might not yet be familiar with the accepted conventions of the major usenet groups. These conventions have developed over many years, and it's hard to find them neatly described in a single place, but if you're atten- tive to the way in which regular usenauts interact, you'll probably develop a feeling for why things are done the way that they are - and why some kinds of behaviour are considered seriously rude. Naturally you will find 'OT' discussions here just as well as you can find them in other NG's. Still, over the years since the crea- tion of 'ciwas', basically three items have come to be essential for anyone who wants to place a commentary article in 'ciwas'. a) Include quoted material but trim it to the essentials. When quo- ting, make sure that it's clear who said what! Many participants consider it rude to snip out their attributions. b) Make your comment in a natural conversation order, below each section of the material you have decided to quote and comment. Do not "top-post", e.g. in the style that a faulty configured ("out of the box") MS-Outlook(Express) invites you to do. c) You should normally post an article to one newsgroup only. If, and only if, the topic of your article covers more than one newsgroup, you should cross-post your article. Do not post separate articles with the same message to different newsgroups. Don't be upset if a seemingly simple article/comment/question triggers a long thread of posts on other issues related to your input. After all usenet is a forum for discussions at first, not a "help desk". All eventual help that can be had from a discussion shall be looked upon as a "fringe benefit". If you want to find out more on how to make usenet "work for you", Jukka Korpela has a good compilation of practical "how to's" here <http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/internet/index.html> One ciwas usenaut has agreed to let his views of the 'ciwas' NG be referenced from this mFAQ at <http://www.css.nu/faq/ciwas-NG.html> 08: ===== Q & A ===== Q: Where can I find the latest version of this FAQ? A: This FAQ was last updated 2004-07-26 copyright 1998 ... 2004 - Jan Roland Eriksson - Permission to freely reproduce this document electronically is given as long as the document remains uncut and unedited. This FAQ is posted periodically to the NG once a week and I'll endeavor to use the same subject line at all times so that those of you who have seen it can kill-file the subject. FAQ version number in subject line will be changed whenever the document has been revised. You should be able to use that fact when setting your kill filter to make sure that you have the latest version available at all times. This meta-FAQ is also available in HTML on the World Wide Web at <http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-mFAQ.html> and as a text document at <http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-mFAQ.txt> with the revision history of this meta-FAQ at <http://css.nu/faq/ciwas-mFAQ-rev.html> Further; since this meta-FAQ is approved to be posted to the 'news.answers' and 'comp.answers' moderated NG's it will also be available from the traditional usenet FAQ repository at <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/www/stylesheets/newsgroup-faq/> The CSSPG wants to thank regular participants in 'ciwas' for their contributed input to this mFAQ and for their peer review of the editorial result. 09: ===== E N D ===== _______________________________________________________________________