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[Contents Introduction GODS AND DEVILS, SATANISTS AND CHRISTIANS 1. So go on then, what is Satanist? 2. Do you believe in God? Do you worship the Devil then? 3. Do you hate Christians? 4. Go on then, rant a little about "The Church". 5. What about Churches of Satan then? RITUAL 6. Ok, what about Satanic ritual? RELATED GROUPINGS 7. Now don't rant, but what about Pagans? 8. Any words on Atheists? 9. Dare I ask... Crowley and Thelema? SATANISTS IN HISTORY 10. Are there any famous Satanists? 11. Whooooah! Some of these people definitely weren't known for their beliefs in "personal freedom" were they? DOCTRINES 12. Do you believe in magic? 13. So what do you believe in? 14. Why do you wear an inverted cross or an inverted pentagram? APPEARANCE AND SUBSTANCE 15. Why use the word "Satanist" when you know people will get the wrong idea? 16. So what do you get out of it, then? 17. Are you going to try and convert me? 18. Why do you have a "Responsibility in free speech" link on your page? 19. Is "Hi baby, I am a Satanist." a good chat up line? 20. I want to ask some more questions. 21. Is this finished? 22. How honest is this? =========================================== FAQ PROPER BEGINS HERE -- bobo] [Introduction] Someone suggested that I write a Frequently Asked Questions page on "Satanism". I have collected a few questions together and answered them from my point of view. If you read and understand this you will realise that writing a generic "Satanism FAQ" is impossible. I have been as honest as I am willing to be in this. I admit, I have not explained some things fully because I don't feel the urge to. I have not told any outright lies though. I shall no doubt be slated for doing this, both by Satanists and non-Satanists but I don't care. So go on then, what is Satanism? Although later I will claim that Satanism has little to do with religion, it is always easiest to start with the Bible and the arch-angel Lucifer. At this point it is easier to assume that God exists and the Bible has some degree of truth to it. Lucifer was, in angel terms, next to God. God is infallible and would not have created a "broken angel" and so, it seems that Lucifer was the closest God had to a peer when it came to chummy philosophical chats over a cup of tea. Lucifer didn't always agree with God and in a more famous argument thought that God was a bit off, giving man everything he wanted and treating them like pets and should, perhaps, be given "free will". Eventually, Lucifer offered man (or in this case, woman) free will and the human race was cast out of Eden to live their own free lives. In this case, the bringer of light showed man the light. The word "Satan" is a descriptive term, it is not Lucifer's name. It means "accusor". Interestingly, you won't find any bad references to Lucifer in the bible. Lucifer as a devil rather than an accusor is an invention of the middle ages when it was convenient to have something to pin blame onto. A "Satanist" in the pure sense is simply someone who won't automatically accept something because it's the way it always has been, a "Satanist" in the pure sense is someone who will have a strong belief in free will, a "Satanist" in the accepted sense is someone who believes in their personal freedom to do pretty much anything they want to. Do you believe in God? Do you worship the Devil then? Personally, I don't believe in God in the clear cut way the Bible presents it. The Devil is a relatively modern invention, the bad guys in biblical times were actually false gods, and there was never any hint that the arch-angel Lucifer was false. Lucifer's only "crime" was to tell God he was a bit of a control freak and to give man freedom. It is interesting to note that God sent his son to earth to preach pretty much the same thing and to repledge man's eternal freedom. I don't worship false Gods, I don't worship the arch-angel Lucifer. In fact, I don't worship anything or anybody. I do respect Lucifer's courage in speaking out against God but then it would seem, so did God. Do you hate Christians? Generally, I have found most of the Christians I have ever met to be nice and fair people. By definiton, Christians believe in the teachings of Jesus. There can be little doubt historically that Jesus existed, whether he was the son of God or just an inspired leader and speaker, is another matter though. Most of what Jesus said was all generally sound stuff. He didn't like what was happening with the church, he spoke out against it, he attacked the temples. He taught freedom, he asked people to listen, to think and to understand. In fact, everything Jesus did was perfectly in fitting with Satanistic beliefs, he was himself an excellent example of a Satanist. True Christians who have read the teachings of Jesus and understood them for themselves are generally nice people and good friends. People who call themselves Christians, and instead follow the warped teachings of Paul who went on to found the Catholic church have a rather strange (and often completely misguided) view of what Jesus was and did. Go on then, rant a little about "The Church". Aaaah, thank you. I started above by mentioning Paul and the start of the Catholic Church. Jesus spoke out against the temples and the established church so it seems strange to me that Paul would then go and create it all again in Jesus' name. All Churches are about power and control; the elders of the churches want to look after their flocks, and, at the same time, fleece them for everything they can get. A huge amount of bad has been done in the name of various churches but this is not a "bad things the church has done" FAQ. How people can read the teachings of Jesus and then believe that they are not worthy to talk to God themselves, or that only the Pope is worthy to listen to God is beyond me. Incidentally, I don't just have a downer on the Church of Rome... Martin Luther is often hailed as the creator of the modern church and the person who accused (that word again, notice) the Catholic church of speaking crap. Luther was, however, as big a control freak as any of the corrupt popes and when the Jews didn't come to join his church as he expected, he started a vicious and renewed wave of anti-semitism with articles like: The Jews and their lies. I don't think all churches are bad, but it's very hard to find ones that aren't. What about Churches of Satan then? The Church Of Satan is a wonderful organisation. It is quite a shame LeVei is dead since he was a wonderful example of Satanism in action. I am not sure of the exact figures, but for about $100 a year your average screwed up teenager would not only get a really cool black membership card with a red pentagram on it but they'd also get a set of laws to live their life by and a group of people to identify with. He must have made a fortune out of a need to belong, and good luck to him. There are churches of Satan that profess to teach ritual and will tell a new Satanist how they should act. Personally, I can't see the point, but then I have never been in one nor seen the need to be in one. Ok, what about Satanic ritual? Bunkum! And it's all written in medieval gibberish too! To be fair, like "Christian" ritual, a lot of true "Satanic" ritual is merely there to reinforce various beliefs for the various churches of different types of Satanic belief. Most other Satanistic ritual was written by the people who used "Satanism and Devil Worship" as an excuse to burn loads of old women, you can usually spot it because it all tends to be based on Christian things with the word "God" replaced with "Satan" or, simply the Christian stuff spoken backwards. If you are into this sort of thing, the only ritual I have ever thought interesting was "Das Tierdrama" which basically takes the congregation back to animal roots and then shows them how man's evolution makes them more than animals. Oddly enough, such quotes as "Not to kill without eating, that is the law, are we not men?" seem a tad odd when it tends to be man that kills without eating rather than animals. Maybe I just don't understand this mass, which is highly likely. Now don't rant, but what about Pagans? No no, I shan't be wound up... I shall not rant on and on about Wiccans. There are far too many different types of Pagans to say anything sensible on this matter but, since someone mentioned Wiccans anyway, all I have to say is that to my mind, they are far more biggoted and closed minded than most Christians I have ever met and, to make matters worse, their music is as unbelievably dire as the gods they worship. And why do their gods wear such awful clothes? At least Egyptian ones dress well! There see, I didn't rant much, did I? Any words on Atheists? Of course! Shoot the lot of them. Most normal people don't call themselves Atheists. Atheists tend to define their whole being by the fact that they don't believe in God and then they seem to think that it is their job to ram this belief down your throats and bore you senseless with loads of trivial crap about why there can't be a God. It requires a great deal of devotion and belief to be an Atheists in the same way as it takes a great deal of devotion and belief to be a Born Again Christian. Dare I ask... Crowley and Thelema? Of course you dare! I shan't be too snide, honest. Crowley admitted openley to writing much of his stuff to insult the intelligence of his readers. As a poet, he made a very good member of the Plymouth Bretheren. Crowley is probably best known for "The Book of the Law". This book is an excellent example of how the bible should have been written in that firstly, it is incredibly short and secondly, the first "law" in the book says that no-one should attempt to interpret this book for another person (where would the church be if the Bible demanded that then?). I suspect Crowley was a repressed mathematician, and this somewhat effected his mental wellbeing. This is getting way out of the scope of this FAQ though so go and look at a Thelema FAQ instead. Thelemites believe the following things... Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will. Every man and every woman is a star. I find nothing wrong with "Do what thou wilt" but personally, I have a problem with the latter two. Maybe I should update my opinion of Crowley to include the fact that deep down he was a big softy and a nice guy at heart. One word of warning, never get into a discussion about numerology with anyone who professes to be into Crowley. Are there any famous Satanists? Interesting question, and a hard one to answer. The obvious answer is that Lucifer is quite a famous one, a less obvious answer, and one I get ranted at for saying is that Jesus nearly also fits the bill of a Satanist especially the strange ideas he had about us being sheep, and his Father being a shepherd... When people start calling you sheep you have to worry about their intentions. I guess it is perfectly logical that Jesus would hold similar beliefs to Lucifer really though when you think about it. On a more serious note, pretty much anyone who is famous for having beliefs that went against the norm and was willing to speak out. Leonardo Da Vinci fit this well though he was so scared of the death penalty that his "speaking out" is still only recently coming to light. There has been a lot of critical examination of his works with the aim of showing he was deliberately speaking out against the church (see especially Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince's book "The Templar Revelation") but Da Vinci was still a brilliant scientist and hardly any of his inventions and thoughts were overly compatible with the age. In some ways, it is a shame that Leonardo lived under so much control and in so much fear; the world may well have been very different if that were not the case. Gallaleio, Newton, Darwin, Livingstone and the Teletubbies all spring to mind... On a more "negative" note PR wise, so do Rhodes, Hitler, Luther and Stalin. Whooooah! Some of these people definately weren't known for their beliefs in "personal freedom" were they? Nope... You are right there but it is their right to believe that they can enslave other people. This is where Satanism stops being quite so nice and fluffy as libertariasm. Whilst Satanists believe firmly in their own personal freedom they don't necessarialy believe in your personal freedom. Without mincing words, and using medieval language that can be taken in more than one way, Satanists believe basically "Do what you want". Most Satanists have a deep seated contempt for people they view as having no free will of their own and no particular desire to help them. It has to be said that "love and respect for your fellow man" is not a great fundamental of Satanism. Do you believe in magic? Glad you asked. The simple answer is yes. The complicated bit is the definition of "magic". Simply speaking, an act of magic is an act of causing a change of state in something. I once saw an excellent article on this somewhere but I have lost it. Really simplifying things, if you do something directly to get a result (like hitting someone, and making them fall down) then you have done an act of lower magic. If you were to indirectly influence things around you to cause someone else to hit the person and for them to fall down, you would be performing higher magic, and the 3rd party would be a "demon". Some people are good at "causing things to work out". Whether they do it by direct means or some means you can't quite put your finger on, they are still performing magic. Some people are really good at this and should really be classed as quite powerful practitioners of the art but a lot of them don't know they are doing it, or how they are doing it. The mumbo jumbo of a lot of the "magical sects" is an attempt to define means of performing this influence on the world, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't but most of them look really silly. Karl Jung had a lot more sense to say about this sort of thing anyway, as does the Kabbalah. Incidentally... The mumbo-jumbo brigade will insist on mispelling the word "magic" in an attempt to confuse things. They claim it is to differentiate it from the art of the stage magician. Personally, I think that good stage magicians are far better practitioners of magic than people who dance naked around fires and wear dirty rags, but there you go! So what do you believe in? This is a biggie... Obviously, personal freedom is one of the major ones. I would also say truth as well although I am an excellent liar so I can't use the excuse that honesty is easier than lies. That story is something parents tell kids, but it's a lie in itself, lying is almost always easier than telling the truth and these honesty obsessed authority figures seem to have no problems telling their kids about strange fat blokes in red suits who come down the chimney delivering presents every Christmas. Oooh, I have one... I believe in Fairies (and I don't spell it Faeries, that seems to be like the Magic/Magick argument). People who believe in fairies have a much easier life than the cynical buggers who don't. If you don't believe me, try it sometime! Why do you wear an inverted cross or an inverted pentagram? The symbols of Satanism are traditionally the inverted pentagram and the inverted cross. They are both middle aged inventions but I can't see any harm in a symbol so I opted for the inverted pentagram. I wear it mostly to remind myself what I profess to believe in because sometimes, it's not the easiest belief system in the world to keep. I wear a small inverted pentagram. It was made for me, in white gold, by Lionel Pepper. I had another one before but I gave it away. I don't own a ring with pentagrams on it (actually, I do, but only as a joke!). I don't own one of those huge 1 foot wide pentagrams you can buy from Goth shops. I don't have any pentagrams tattooed to my eyelids or whatevever. I really can't see why Pagans have a tendency to wear all of this crud but I guess it goes with their general lack of dress sense. One thing I never really understand is why both Christians and Pagans have this tendancy to wear their symbols outside their clothing. They must take a special effort to untuck it, and keep it in the right place because most of them are on quite small chains. Very strange! Why use the word "Satanist" when you know people will get the wrong idea? The answer to this one depends on my mood. Sometimes the answer will be that I object to the medieval re-definition of the word into something bad; sometimes I will say that I merely want people to assume I am something I am not, for a quiet life. In truth, I mainly use it because it is the proper word for what I believe though sometimes, I will qualify it by calling myself a "philosophical Satanist". Someone once asked me "If it is a descriptive term, then why do you capitalise it?" I never could think up a good answer to that. Telling people you are a Satanist is quite useful if you want to filter people. If they are biggoted, and closed minded, they will just go away, if not, they won't care less and some will even ask you a bit more about it. I am always intrigued though by how many people think I secretly dance around bonfires on cold dirty moors stabbing chickens or babies (I mean, apart from anything, I would use a nailgun!). What so you get out of it then? Smelly Pagans usually avoid me at parties. If that's not a good thing then I dunno what is! Are you going to try and convert me? Nope. This path is one you take yourself. I am not even going to tell you where to start. If you are interested follow some of the links on my homepage. If you are really interested, ignore them because they are mostly crap. Why do you have a "Responsibility in free speech" link on your page? A few people have asked me this... They are a Christian organisation and I tend to agree with what they say. Simple as that. Is "Hi baby, I am a Satanist." a good chat up line? Not sure, I have never tried it. I think for it to work properly you'd have to use it on people in black leather jackets, purple silk clothes and an odour of patchoulli. You may want to flash your Church of Satan membership card and add that you are looking for virgins to stab with your dagger too to get the full effect. I want to ask some more questions. I want a wee, mail them to me, and I shall see if any are worth entertaining. Is this finished? No, you daft gobbin. It says at the top that it is still in the draft and proofread stage. Whether it will ever get out of that and be published is another matter. How honest is this? That is really for me to know, and for you to decide. If you have read thus far then you will have formed some opinions of your own anyway. As you may realise, honesty to others isn't really something Satanists hold strong to so it is highly likely that this whole FAQ is nothing more than a tissue of lies. Whilst it may not appear obvious why I would lie, if you accept Satanism as the worship of the Devil then you could also accept that I am trying to make Satanism seem clean, honourable and nice in order to lure people into a false sense of security whilst I twist their minds and steal their children for midnight sacrifices. Have a nice day. ============================================= TITLE: Michael's [alt.!]Satanism FAQ! VERSION: 500301 [copied from Michael's website (where I found several hidden version dates! including: 1998-09-19 & 2000-09-09) URL: http://www.lorry.com/Docs/sfaq.html ) NOTE: I hope he sends me updates. :> COPYRIGHT: usenet copyright 2003-2666 Michael Lawriel all rights reserved. EDIT: reformatted slightly in transits, additions and editing decisions: bobo