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Subject: alt.binaries.pictures FAQ - General Etiquette

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Archive-name: pictures-faq/part1 Last-modified: 03 March 1993
This is part 1 of the FAQ for the alt.binaries.pictures* hierarchy. This part of the alt.binaries.pictures FAQ contains "general etiquette suggestions", those handy little rules that'll help you avoid getting flamed by dozens of other a.b.p* readers. It is *HIGHLY* recommended that you read and understand this section fully before posting to any of the a.b.p* groups. For information on "general", or operating-system independent information, questions you may have about the pictures newsgroups, decoding and encoding techniques, or picture formats, consult part 2 of this posting. For information on your particular system and on specific utilities, consult part 3 of this posting. Before posting to these groups for the first time, please check the FAQ list (this posting - including parts 2 and 3), and also read the newsgroup news.announce.newusers, which contains many answers to questions about UseNet in general. If you've read previous versions of this FAQ, you'll probably only want to read anything that has changed since the last distribution. These changes appear both in this document and in the accompanying "Changes to the alt.binaries.pictures FAQ". Note that this is a "live" document, and is always getting important information added or updated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TABLE OF CONTENTS I. USENET NEWSGROUPS AND THEIR USAGE II. POSTING VOLUME III. WHAT/WHEN TO POST IV. POSTING CONTENT V. Subject: LINE STANDARDS VI. ANONYMOUS FTP VII. "REPOST" REQUESTS VIII. TEST POSTS IX. DEALING WITH THOSE WHO DON'T/WON'T FOLLOW ETIQUETTE I. USENET NEWSGROUPS AND THEIR USAGE If you can't access UseNet (an international BBS-like system transmitted via Internet), then you can't access these newsgroups either - don't bother asking! You may still find the information in parts 2 and 3 valuable for "general" pictures-viewing purposes, but you're out of luck as far as getting any of the pictures that are posted in UseNet newsgroups. Articles contained in the news groups in the alt.binaries.pictures* hierarchy are available ONLY by subscribing to those groups through UseNet; there are no FTP archive sites (with the exception of a.b.p.fractals - see the "ftpsites" list on bongo), mailing list, or mail servers that allow access to these articles. There is nothing unique or "magical" about the pictures newsgroups - you subscribe to them as you would any other UseNet newsgroup (like rec.humor, for example). If you want access to the pictures hierarchy, your site must subscribe to it; talk to your news administrator! Alternatively, you might be able to access these UseNet groups by connecting to another site that *does* carry the UseNet pictures newsgroups, and do your news reading there (then FTP the articles back to your site). This may also be a problem, as you may not be able to telnet to another site (because you don't have a true Internet connection), and you might also not be able to access news at that site without the OK of the systems administrator. You might check out either the UseNet alt.internet.access.wanted or the alt.internet.services news groups to get more info or make requests for remote access... (I've recently been informed that the following sites provide Internet/UseNet access for a small monthly fee, and also provide dial-up services for PCs: netcom.com, digex.com, a2i.rahul.net). Those of you without UseNet access (and therefore no way to access the alt.internet* newsgroups) can get the necessary information via anonymous FTP from pit-manager.mit.edu [] as the file "/pub/usenet/news.answers/internet-services.Z", on ftp.cs.ruu.nl [] as the file "/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS/internet-services", or from ftp.uu.net [,, or] in the file "/usenet/news.answers/internet-services.Z". You can also get the alt.internet.services FAQ via UUCP by retrieving the file "uunet!/archive/usenet/news.answers/internet-services". For an e-mail version of the alt.internet.services FAQ, send a message to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu with the mail body "send usenet/news.answers/internet-services" or e-mail to mail-server@cs.ruu.nl with "send NEWS.ANSWERS/internet-services" in the body of the message. That said, on to the usage policies of the alt.binaries.pictures* newsgroups: Alt.binaries.pictures.erotica is for erotic pictures ONLY. Erotic (adj): Of or arousing sexual feelings or desires; having to do with sexual love; amatory. ONLY the erotica newsgroups should be used for pictures of human nudity or any form of pornography. Alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d is for the Discussion of pix in ABPE, etc. Alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless is for "tasteless", "bizarre", or "grotesque" pictures ONLY. Alt.binaries.pictures.fractals is for fractal pictures ONLY. Alt.binaries.pictures.misc is for the remaining types of pictures ONLY. Alt.binaries.pictures.d is for the Discussion of pix in ABPT, ABPF, ABPM, etc. Alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.graphics is for the posting of ORIGINAL artwork created using computer programs ONLY. Moderated. Alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.digitized is for the posting of scanned ORIGINAL artwork ONLY. Moderated. Alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.d is for the Discussion of pix in ABPF-AG or ABPF-AD ONLY. Moderated. Alt.binaries.pictures.utilities is for the posting of source or binary executables of pictures-related software. Any alt.binaries.pictures groups NOT mentioned above are either "splinter" groups or are otherwise not officially sanctioned because their charter is covered under one of the "official" pictures newsgroups. Any postings to those newsgroups are likely to be rare, and probably will also not get very good propagation to other sites... Comp.sources.misc is a good place for image-viewing source code. Comp.graphics is a good place for discussion of image formats. Alt.graphics.pixutils is for discussion of image format translation. Throughout the remainder of this document, any newsgroup in the alt.binaries.pictures.* hierarchy WITHOUT the '.d' extension (including, but not limited to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless, and alt.binaries.pictures.misc) will be referred to as "the pictures newsgroups", and those WITH the '.d' extension (including, but not limited to alt.binaries.pictures.d and alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d) will be referred to as "the discussion newsgroups". These two types of newsgroups work basically the same way as the comp.binaries.ibm.pc and c.b.i.p.d groups; one is for posting new material, and one is for discussing posts and other issues. BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF ABP* ETIQUETTE IS: The pictures newsgroups are for pictures ONLY (if it's not a picture, don't post it in any of these newsgroups)!!!! It has been pointed out that some sites carry the pictures newsgroups without also carrying the discussion newsgroups. This is very unfortunate, as there is often valuable information contained in the discussion newsgroups that anyone who frequents the pictures newsgroups would find of interest. If your site doesn't carry the discussion newsgroups, complain to your news administrator! The basic idea is this: if it is a picture, post it to the appropriate pictures newsgroup. If it is *ANYTHING ELSE* ANYTHING ANYTHING ANYTHING ELSE (INCLUDING UTILITIES!!), post it to the associated discussion newsgroup or to an appropriate utilities newsgroup (like a.b.p.utilities, for example)! The truth is that I feel bad about posting *THIS FILE* to the pictures newsgroups, because it is not a picture. However, the benefits of restricting the requests for info far outweigh the detriment of breaking this rule. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANYTHING TO THE PICTURES NEWSGROUPS THAT IS NOT A PICTURE OF SOME SORT!!!! II. POSTING VOLUME The first thing is this: please restrict yourself to a maximum of 400 KB of images per day. If you've got a bunch of extremely small (50K to 100 KB) pictures, then you can post several of them at once. If you've got a few medium-sized pictures (150 to 200 KB), then you should only post one or two of them per day. If you've got a few rather large to huge (400K or more) pictures, you should only post one of them per day. It's best to post the full image the same day, as some sites expire things daily (sometimes in an even shorter period), so your complete image would never be available there. As you're no doubt thinking, this is inconvenient. Wouldn't it be nice just to be able to post everything at once? Well, the problem is, if you do this, you're essentially cutting your own throat (and others' as well.) The problem is that it takes a lot of time and effort (albeit automated, but still), money, and disk space to transmit your pictures all over the world. Unlike a lot of students at universities (for example), many people at many sites have to pay directly out of their own pockets to transmit news articles, in the form of phone bills for their modems. Also, a lot of sites don't have infinitely large disks, and a particularly heavy day of posting can actually fill up entire partitions. You still might be thinking, "Well, that's their problem." - and you're right. However, it becomes YOUR problem because a lot of sites still propagate news articles in serial chains: A <---> B <---> C <---> D <---> E Now, say you're site A. You decide to post a few MB of pictures in one day. Site B connects to your site, A, and grabs the articles. Site C connects to site B and attempts to grab the articles. But site C is rather limited. Its disks fill up a few times, perhaps the system crashes. The sysadmin knows he will get an outrageous phone bill caused by just ATTEMPTING to transmit all of your pictures. So the sysadmin of site C "drops" the group (or groups) in which you posted all of your pictures. So the people at sites D and E will now NEVER SEE ANY OF THE PICTURES YOU POST. Conversely, because the chain is bidirectional, if the people at sites D or E post some pictures, YOU WILL NEVER SEE THEM. Congratulations, you've just slit not only your own throat, but the throats of EVERYONE at sites A, B, C, D, and E as well. This is why everyone must post only limited amounts per day. As it is, pictures newsgroups account for something like 50% of the entire net traffic, and 75% of the alt.* traffic. We need to be self-policing, or the pictures newsgroups will die out because of the phenomenon mentioned above. III. WHAT/WHEN TO POST A common question that is asked is this one: what should I post to the net? The basic answer is: anything you'd like to see here yourself! If you got the file from some FTP site that was announced over the net, don't bother posting it. 5-to-1 odds say that everyone and his dog already have it, and we *really* need to be careful about wasting bandwidth! If you're unsure of whether there's any interest in it, just post a short message saying: "I have this file. Mail me if you want a copy." If 500 people say they want one, post it... if only one bozo from outer mongolia wants it, it's a sure bet that the picture has already made the rounds! You might consider *e-mailing* it to the bozo from outer mongolia instead! The same goes if you see a request! If that same bozo posts a request for T2.gif and you've got it and are thinking about posting it, *MAIL* it to him/her instead! This will eliminate the problem of the same picture getting posted to the net on a weekly basis (and pissing a lot of people off in the process)!!! Another practice that is generally frowned upon is converting or modifying a file in some way and posting that. This includes file renaming. If you're planning on posting something you got from somewhere, DON'T DINK WITH IT by converting it from GIF to JPEG format, cropping it, remapping colors, or naming it something "better". You're certainly welcome to do any or all of these things to your own personal copy - just don't re-post it with your changes! Keep the original for re-posting purposes... IV. POSTING CONTENT In the actual message you're posting (commonly in either part 0 or part 1), be sure to give at least a brief description of what's in it, like: CRSH+BRN.GIF 800x600x256 (in 8 parts) This is 15th in the series of this plane crash at the Beirut Air Show taken at every single conceivable angle. This one was taken from a photograph by a guy who happened to be standing directly under the plane as it came down. Pulitzer Prize material. At least the camera was saved. Also, checksums are nice, for people with access to sum programs. It helps people identify erroneous transmissions. Usually people include things like Checksums: (obtained with 4.2 BSD 'sum' or SysV 'sum -r') between 'CUT HERE lines': part 1: 76663 9082 part 2: 78973 1234 etc... In the case where someone is going to be posting several pictures of a series, they sometimes choose to post an "index" picture that contains the entire series, each at a smaller scale. This is great, it gives everyone a chance to see if they're interested in the series at all, but this does NOT mean that the poster should not use descriptions in the individual postings! And a description of "this is the third pictures from the index I posted the other day" doesn't cut it, either. As for the "index" posting itself, a simple description of the entire series is probably in order, but it's not necessary to describe each picture of the series. Also, make sure that the index pictures aren't so small as to make them unrecognizable - otherwise you're just wasting bandwidth! The best format for an index posting is nearly always going to be JPEG, since it can handle 24 bits worth of color. Even if the pictures of the index are all 8-bit GIFs (256 colors), it's very unlikely that they all use the *same* 256 colors - posting the index in GIF loses *a lot* of color, since all the individual picture colors need to be re-mapped in order to share a common set of 256 colors. If you have a GIF file, don't bother trying to run some compression routine on it... it *won't* work. LZW compression (the kind used in GIF files) is a very efficient compression scheme, and happens to be the one used in many common compression routines (including the standard UNIX `compress' utility!). If you try to compress a GIF file, it will usually just end up getting bigger, and cause undue hardship to those trying to download and decode the picture as well. The most common standard for binary file transmission is the UUENCODE standard. Apple's BinHex is also frequently used. Be aware, however, that the further you stray from a standard, the fewer the people that will be able to decode your posting, and the more it begins to become high-volume garbage. It is necessary to split large files because of a few reasons. First of all, not all news software can handle huge files. Secondly, and more important, if some sort of error in transmission occurs (yes, it *does* happen from time to time) you only need to re-broadcast one small part, rather than the whole multi-megabyte image. If you do post a multi-part file, be sure to add lines before and after the data that say 'CUT HERE' so that people trimming the headers and trailers by hand know where to cut. A recent addition to the etiquette also has you make the lines say 'BEGIN-----Cut Here' and 'END-----Cut Here' at the obvious locations, so that simple AWK and PERL scripts can handle multi-part files. Another nice thing to do is to put the part (02/06) numbers in each file. There are several "super" uuencode programs that will do most of this for you (see part 3 for more details). It is important to make the "Cut Here" parts in mixed-case or lower-case letters; some decoders detect data based on the presence of characters which belong in the normal uuencoding character set, and they will choke on lines which are all upper-case, as these are valid uuencode characters. If you mix the cases, these decoders will do fine... Remember (if you add "BEGIN" and "END" keywords) to make "BEGIN" and "END" all caps so existing scripts won't miss them, and so uudecoders won't choke on them. V. Subject: LINE STANDARDS Above all else, be sure to give subject lines that are informative. The subject line should contain (at an absolute minimum): The file name Which part this is, and how many total parts As an expanded suggestion for a standard, consider the following: - - filename.type (part/total) {label} ^REPOST^ [sh] "extraTitle" ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | | | | | | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1) The '-' character sets this off as a picture posting (not a follow-up, not a request, not a flame for a follow-up or a request, etc.). OPTIONAL (but highly suggested). 2) The name of the file. You might consider limiting this to a maximum of as few as 8 characters, since this is the limit of some archaic operating systems. Other nearly equally archaic OS's limit you to 14 characters. Do what you will, but realize others' limitations... REQUIRED. 3) The type of picture (GIF, JPEG, PostScript). The suggested standard is to stick to all lower case, three characters maximum (gif, jpg, ps). REQUIRED. 4, 5) Which part of how many this is. Enclosed in parentheses. REQUIRED. 6) The type of picture ("male", "female", "both", "plane", "scenic", etc.). Enclosed in curly brackets. OPTIONAL (but very considerate). 7) Notifies everyone that this is a repost of a posting that went sour. Enclosed in up-arrows (circumflex or caret characters). OPTIONAL (but very considerate). 8) Flag that notifies people that this posting uses script wrappers (in case they have to handle these special). Enclosed in square brackets. OPTIONAL (but very considerate). 9) Additional descriptive text to give a better idea of what's in the picture. Enclosed in double quotes. OPTIONAL (but very considerate). This suggested standard is intended to be strictly ordered (i.e. if there's a ^REPOST^ notification, it appears after any label info and before any script wrapper notification). For example: - CRSH+BRN.GIF (02/08) {plane} "Plane crash at an air show, 800x600x256" Notice that it includes everything: the file name, what part of how many this one is, a short description, and the resolution. If you insist on leaving everything *else* out, at least say the name of the file and which part of how many it is! In the "erotica" newsgroups, it's also popular (and often demanded!) to include the picture subject's gender (i.e. "{male}", "{female}", "{both}", etc.). The gender should be considered as part of the minimal set of information in the "erotica" newsgroups, as the addition of this information to the subject line makes it possible for people to avoid spending time downloading stuff they don't care about. Certain newsreaders (NN, for example) sort the articles alphabetically by title, so subject lines with part numbers get displayed and saved in order. There is an obvious (and common) way to torpedo this process: make subject lines which do not follow sequentially. An example: first article's subject: "plane crash GIF: CRSH+BRN (part 1 / 4)" subsequent articles' subjects: "CRSH+BRN (part N / 4)" These subject lines will not be displayed and sorted correctly by NN. However, if you change the arrangement a little, like this: first article's subject: "CRSH+BRN (part 1/4) plane crash GIF" subsequent articles' subjects: "CRSH+BRN (part N/4)" you will please NN-users the world over. VI. ANONYMOUS FTP A word about anonymous FTP and GIF files. When you log onto a remote machine via anonymous FTP, please try to restrict yourself to no more then ten minutes of transmission time, or about five to ten files. As you can imagine, when people discover a new archive of GIF files, they are all hot to download every one they can, and often they jam up the site for *days*. You'll notice this effect the first time some bozo announces the name of a new GIF archive. You won't be able to get through without persistent efforts over several hours or even a day or two. Then the system administrators of that site notice that they have had about $5,000 worth of anonymous FTP over the last two days, and revoke the anonymous FTP privilege. Now every one is screwed. Be considerate; grab only a few files and then let someone else have a chance. This probably won't solve the problem in the long term (still everyone and his dog will be ftp'ing into that machine), but at least it will spread the wealth a bit. As for anonymous FTP sites for erotica pictures, THEY DO NOT EXIST (except of course for that long-standing favorite, - the Internet loop-back address... your own machine, of course!). Even if you find an anonymous FTP site that *appears* to have erotica pictures, it is merely an illusion. As the sage once said, "Revel in your illusions, don't share them." The effects of sharing your illusion in this case *ALWAYS* results in your illusion being rendered non-existent (in one way or another). For this very same reason, it is considered very poor form to ask someone else to share their illusions with you. If you were considering asking for a list of anonymous FTP sites with erotica pictures -- don't. VII. "REPOST" REQUESTS Your absolutely last course of action should be to ask for a repost of an article. There are so very many other ways that the download and decode process could have failed, you should be very sure that none of these steps went south BEFORE asking for a repost. After you have exhausted all of the possibilities from your end, post to the discussion newsgroup and request someone to send you their (working) copy. If enough people post requests of this sort, eventually the original poster will usually re-post it. If you're the only person with a problem, someone is bound to send you the file, and you'll save the net 'hundreds if not thousands of dollars.' Also, just because you've already read an article doesn't mean it has vanished off the face of the earth. It is a fairly simple matter to get back to articles you've already read (unless your site administrator has removed them or they've expired). There are essentially four methods to accomplish this (examples assume you're using rn): 1. Assuming you know the article number(s) of the postings, just enter the article number from within that newsgroup. Voila! 2. Since you probably DON'T know the article number, once you are in the appropriate newsgroup, you can step backwards or forwards through the articles by using "P" (previous) and "N" (next). 3. So you don't know the article number, and you don't want to step backwards through 50+ articles - what now? As long as you remember something from the subject line of the article, you can use regular expressions to search backwards, using the command "?pattern?r", where pattern is the part you remember. For example, you read an article with the word "howdy" in the subject, then decide later you want to get back to that article. Just get into the right newsgroup, then enter "?howdy?r" and rn will search back through all the articles you've read to find the last one with "howdy" somewhere in the title. Not the right one? Enter "?", and rn will retrieve the next-to-last article with "howdy" in the title. 4. You can modify your .newsrc file so that articles are no longer marked as being read (this file usually resides in your home directory). This is especially valuable if you forgot the name of a particular posting, but you know it was in the last ?x? number articles. For example, if your .newsrc file reads: alt.binaries.pictures.misc: 1-2380 ...and you know that the article you're looking for was in the last 30 or so postings, you could edit this line to read: alt.binaries.pictures.misc: 1-2350 ...so that your news reader would think that you hadn't yet seen these articles (of course you'll have to re-sort through many other articles you've already seen, but hopefully you'll at least be able to find the "lost" article!). IMPORTANT NOTE!!: If you edit your .newsrc file, make *absolutely sure* that you aren't currently running a news reader session - this may munge the .newsrc file, or cause other undefined or undesirable side-effects. By using these techniques, you won't have to ask for someone to e-mail you a copy or to re-post the article, since you already have it and know how to get back to it! VIII. TEST POSTS If you're trying out a new method of posting, or if you are posting a picture for the first time, or if it's been a while since you posted a picture and you're not really sure you remember all the details on how to do it right, by all means, PLEASE DO A TEST POSTING FIRST! Test postings should *NEVER* be made in any of the pictures newsgroups or the pictures discussion newsgroups - there are plenty of test newsgroups made for just this purpose (local.test is your best choice, misc.test is also nice). Wherever you do your test posting, make sure to add the line Distribution: local in the heading so your post doesn't go outside your site. Make sure that you can download, re-construct, and view the picture you've posted. Then, when you're satisfied that all is well, post it into the appropriate pictures newsgroup! IX. DEALING WITH THOSE WHO DON'T/WON'T FOLLOW ETIQUETTE How should you react if you notice someone violating any of these items of netiquette? It depends on what they've done, of course. In the case of some posting that you find offensive, the best course of action is just to ignore it. 95% of the time, these people are just trying to pull someone's chain - and they are usually pretty successful (I can't tell you how many megabytes of responses I've seen to just one sentence of crap). Another 3% of the time, someone has left themselves logged in and is having a "joke" played on them by a "friend". The other 2% of the time, they actually believe what they are saying. In this case, do you really think that they care that you find what they say offensive? Especially in the last case, silence does more to thwart their behavior than anything else. Refusing to even acknowledge someone usually damages them more than you could possibly hope to do by responding to them in any way. Don't even waste the time, effort, and money (after all, someone *is* paying for what you say, somewhere) to follow up. In the case of posting a discussion to a pictures newsgroup, probably the *worst* thing you can possibly do is follow-up to the offending posting and yourself violate the same rule! After all, what good are you doing by complaining about someone violating a rule you ignore yourself? If you really *must* follow-up to this type of posting, make sure and edit the Newsgroups: line so that your post is re-directed to the discussion newsgroup. Another technique you might try is just ignoring the post - if enough people did this, it's entirely likely that there would soon be no discussion at all in the pictures newsgroups, except for the occasional newbie or someone not wise enough to read this FAQ - and they'd learn eventually. I suggest the following course of action, in order of preference: 1) Respond via e-mail. Gently suggest that they take discussion to the discussion newsgroup. Answer the question/request if you can. Suggest that they read this FAQ to get more information and to better understand pictures newsgroup etiquette. 2) Follow-up only if you can answer the question/request, re-directing your posting to the appropriate discussion newsgroup (edit the Newsgroups: line). Suggest that they read this FAQ to get more information and to better understand pictures newsgroup etiquette. 3) Ignore the posting. They'll most likely get the hint eventually. 4) Follow-up only if you can answer the question/request, re-directing the follow-ups of your posting to the appropriate discussion newsgroup (edit the Followup-to: line -- your posting will go to the pictures newsgroup, but anyone following up to your posting will go to the discussion newsgroup). Gently suggest that this type of posting belongs in the discussion newsgroup, and that that's where follow-ups have been re-directed. Maybe even throw in a small uuencoded picture at the end of your posting, just to make it "legal". Suggest that they read this FAQ to get more information and to better understand pictures newsgroup etiquette. The more people that respond in a positive way, the fewer the flame wars, and the more pictures vs. discussion will end up in the pictures newsgroups! That *is* what we're here for, after all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HISTORY OF THIS FAQ: This file originally began life as the FAQ for alt.sex.pictures, and was first created and maintained by Dave Read (readdm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu). Minor changes and a few additions to clean it up a bit and make it a little more relevant to the alt.binaries.pictures group were made by Steven M. Quinn (steveq@umbc5.umbc.edu). A hierarchy of pictures groups (all under alt.binaries.pictures) was put into place in the fall of 1991, and since that time, Jim Howard (deej@cadence.com) has come forward to take over the maintenance of the "new" FAQ. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acknowledgements (part 1): * Thanx to both James Ralston Crawford (qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu) and Silver (gaynor@blaze.rutgers.edu) for input and suggestions on posting volume. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's about it for the "general etiquette" information. General pictures information is continued in part 2 of this FAQ. If you have any suggestions for things to include in future versions, don't hesitate to let me know... -- Jim Howard *** jhoward@best.com *** http://infolane.com/deej/index.html Author, "The Internet Voyeur" (http://infolane.com/deej/voyeur.html) (^:= Flames cheerfully ignored. =:^) ................................................................................ C:\WINDOWS C:\WINDOWS\GO C:\PC\CRAWL