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Unlike other widgets the Canvas does not take the -bitmap configuration option. One of the ways to place things - including bitmaps - onto a Canvas is to call create on it. To emphasize how a Canvas handles bitmaps differently from the configurable widgets let me assume that you wanted to specify the 'hourglass' built in bitmap in the following. (For more on xbm file specification see a previous question [10.9] within this FAQ.) Here is a way to combine the Canvas; and create; calls: my($canvar) = $main->Canvas(); my($bittag) = $canvar->create('bitmap',10,10, -bitmap=>'hourglass'); $canvar->pack; You can also create an image that will display a bitmap (plus a whole lot more): my($canvar) = $main->Canvas(); my($bitmap) = $main->Bitmap(-data => $data); my($bittag) = $canvar->create(qw(image 10 10), -image => $bitmap); $canvar->pack; MainLoop; ______________________________________________________________________ 11.2. Erase a display? To erase something like a bitmap call delete on the item. Assuming your Canvas tag is $canvar and your item tag it $bittag (as in the previous [11.1] question) then the call proceeds like: $canvar -> delete($bittag); This is of course useful in a callback. For example to configure a Button to do your deletion for you you could say something like: $main->Button(-text => 'clear', -command=>sub{$canvar -> delete($bittag)} )->pack; To remove an entire MainWindow() call the withdraw() method: $main -> withdraw; ______________________________________________________________________ 11.3. Display an Image? Just as for the other widget types there is a two step process of first getting a " Photo" handle on the file of interest. For the Canvas (unlike the other widgets) one then makes a call to create an image as in the following example where 'IMG' is the Photo handle for a GIF file that comes distributed with the Tk kit (it just happens to be handled in this example via the scalar variable $img): #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use Tk; my $main = new MainWindow; my $canvar = $main ->Canvas; $canvar->pack; my $file = 'demos/images/earth.gif'; my $img = $canvar->Photo( 'IMG', -file => Tk->findINC($file) ); $canvar->create( 'image',0,0, '-anchor' => 'nw', '-image' => $img ); MainLoop; __END__ ______________________________________________________________________ 11.4. What things can be created on a Canvas? The following types can be used in $canvar->create calls: arc sections of circle bitmap for X11 bitmap files/builtins image for Photo image types (gif, xpm, xbm, ...) line oval includes circles polygon may be -filled rectangle may also be -filled text similar to Text widget primitive window allows embeddding of other widgets ______________________________________________________________________ 11.5. How do I redraw a line on a Canvas? By calling the ->coord method on the item as in the following example: #!/usr/bin/perl use Tk; $m = MainWindow->new; $c = $m -> Canvas; $i = $c -> create('line', 0,0 => 50,50 ); $c -> pack; $b = $m -> Button('-text' => 'extend', '-command' => sub{push_it($c,$i)}, )->pack; MainLoop; sub push_it { my ($canvas, $line) = @_; $canvas -> coords($line, 0,0 => 100,100 ); } Thanks to Christopher Dunn and Harry Bochner <bochner@das.harvard.edu> for providing this question and answer. ______________________________________________________________________ 11.6. How do I use the Canvas as a geometry manager? In a call to create a window (or anything) on your Canvas you need to specify its position - this is in part how a Canvas can be used as a geometry manager. e.g.: my($bittag) = $canvar->create('bitmap',10,10, -bitmap=>'hourglass'); Specifies the x=10, y=10 screen pixel location (from the upper left). Other possible units are: tag unit example pixels 25,50 # i.e. no unit tag at all m milliimeters 10c,20c c centimeters 1c,2c p points (1/72") 35p,70p There can be a great deal more to it than just units, however. Note the following question posed and answered by Eric J. Bohm. Eric J. Bohm <bohm@cs.buffalo.edu> wrote: !I've got a row of entries packed side by side in a frame. !These frames are packed on top of each other. !So, when someone deletes a row, the lower ones bubble !up automatically. This works just fine and dandy, and let me !extend my thanks to our brave and energetic pTk team. ! !The trick here is what widget do I put this in so that !it will be scrollable when I have too many rows to !fit on the screen? [details and complaints] Following up to my own message here. All right, after several false leads, I spent 3 hours fighting a canvas widget and pounding my head against the canvas.html doc, until I finally understood how to include my entries in a frame in a window in the canvas and get things to scroll nicely. Turns out that the whole thing isn't all that hard to do once I understood how canvas widgets work. Not sure if its of general interest, but here's the snippet, which was stolen from the items demo inside the widget_lib and then brutally hacked. Perhaps a simpler demo would have been easier to use as a guide, but I got there eventually, so my thanks for the widget demo. #---------------------------------------- my $c = $w_frame->Canvas(); $c->configure( -height => '300', -width => '600', -relief => 'sunken', -bd => 2, ); my $w_frame_vscroll = $w_frame->Scrollbar( -command => ['yview', $c] ); my $w_frame_hscroll = $w_frame->Scrollbar( -orient => 'horiz', -command => ['xview', $c] ); $c->configure(-xscrollcommand => ['set', $w_frame_hscroll]); $c->configure(-yscrollcommand => ['set', $w_frame_vscroll]); $w_frame_hscroll->pack(-side => 'bottom', -fill => 'x'); $w_frame_vscroll->pack(-side => 'right', -fill => 'y'); $c->pack(-expand => 'yes', -fill => 'both',-side=>'top'); my $entryframe=$c->Frame; my $c_win= create $c 'window','0','0', -window=>$entryframe, -anchor=>'nw'; #---------------------------------------- Where $c -> configure( -scrollregion => [$top, $left, $right, $bottom]) can be used to size things nicely once you find out how big it'll be. And the widgets you want scrolled should be slaves of $entryframe. Vastly more robust than anything I had running in the BLT Table. EJB ______________________________________________________________________ 11.7. How do I get a Canvas to output PostScript(c)? Many thanks to Tom Oelke <tpo9617@rit.edu> for providing this question, answer & snippet of code: The following section of code gets the postscript code for the section of canvas that's top-left corner is at $min_x, $min_y, and has a width and height equivalent to the displayed region. This ps code is then piped out to lpr to be printed. my $ps = $canvas->postscript( '-x' => $min_x, '-y' => $min_y, -width => $canv->Width, -height => $canv->Height); open (PS, "| lpr"); # customize with -Pname e.g. print PS $ps; close (PS); Whereas you would use something like: open (PS, ">file.ps"); # to output to a file print PS $ps; close (PS); ______________________________________________________________________ 11.8. How do I get a PostScript(c) output of a Canvas w/ widgets? In general you don't. You can't do it in Tcl/Tk either (if that is any consolation). Nick Ing-Simmons posted an explicit discussion of what is involved: Subj: RE: Canvases and postscript output On Tue, 28 Nov 95 14:37:09 PST Davis <morry@dsg.tandem.com> writes: ! I have a canvas with text and some entry widgets that I want to create !postscript from. I used the !widget->postscript( -file => 'ld.ps', -colormode => 'gray'); !the file gets created but its empty. Is there some other options I need? Core Tk cannot write postscript for embedded windows, the best it could do would be to grab a Pixmap of the window as displayed. This is fine if the window is visible, but if it is scrolled off screen or under another application there is no pixmap. Only complete fix is to have a ->postscript method for every possible widget which can render un-mapped widgets. This is non-trivial task. !Also I have a scrollbar for this canvas and when I scroll the entry widget !actually scroll part way out of the frame the canvas is in. Why does this !happen and can I fix it? The Entry widgets need to be descendants of the canvas or they just get clipped to their parent. ______________________________________________________________________ 11.9. How do I get the size of a Canvas? After a re-size? $canvas->cget(-width); simply returns the size of the canvas when it was created, whereas $canvas->Width; will get the answer even after a re-size. Substitute [Hh]eight for [Ww]idth in the above if that is what you want. Nick Ing-Simmons points out that if you want to have your Canvas be able to grow to arbitrarily large sizes be sure to specify the -expand or -fill options when you ->pack the Canvas. ______________________________________________________________________ 11.10. How do I bind different actions to different areas of the same Canvas? KOBAYASI Hiroaki <kobayasi@sowa.is.uec.ac.jp> recently posted an extraordinary little script that addresses this question quite succinctly: How about this? ## I don't know whether this is a good solution or not. ## but it works under Tk-b9 + perl5.002b1f. #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w use Tk; ($c = MainWindow->new->Canvas)-> pack(-fill => 'both', -expand => 1); # to survive under Tk-b8. # You don't need paren before pack in b9. ($pop1 = $c->Menu)->command(-label => "FOO"); ($pop2 = $c->Menu)->command(-label => "BAR"); $c->create(oval => 0, 0, 100, 100, -fill => 'black', -tags => ['popup']); $c->Tk::bind($c, '<3>', [\&PopupOnlyThis, $pop1]); $c->bind('popup', '<3>', [\&PopupOnlyThis, $pop2]); sub PopupOnlyThis { print "@_\n"; my($c, $pop) = @_; # to prevent multiple popup. Tk->break if defined $Tk::popup; my $e = $c->XEvent; $pop->Popup($e->X, $e->Y); # Tk::Menu::Popup sets $Tk::popup. } MainLoop; $Tk::popup = undef; # to kill warning. __END__ ______________________________________________________________________ 12. Common Problems. Everything in Tk-land is a reference. When defining callbacks take care to pass variables by reference. Callbacks are closures and to ensure a variable gets its current value, as opposed to its value when the callback is defined, pass by reference, e.g.: $frog = 123; $b = $mw->Button( -text => 'Push Me', -command => [ sub { my($widget, $frog) = @ARG; print STDERR "widget=$widget!\n"; print STDERR "frog=$$frog!\n"; }, $mw, \$frog, ], ); # end Button definition If $frog is not passed by reference the print statement will always output " 123" (actually, the print as it exists will print nothing since it's trying to dereference $frog, which presumably is now not a reference). Note that by definition all perl/Tk widgets are already references, since they're simply Perl objects, and that's why you do not have to print $$widget! A good "reference" for handling references and dereferencing are the perlref(1) and perlobj(1) man pages. A good "reference" for the various data types you will encounter in this kind of perl programming is Tom Christiansen's Perl Data Structures Cookbook which is now available as the perldsc(1) man page. Also beware the traps that befall perl4 programmers in making the move to perl 5. References for this include the new perltrap(1) man page as well as William Middleton's perl425 trap document at: http://www.perl.com/perl/all_about/perl425.html or http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~pvhp/ptk/misc/perl425.html ______________________________________________________________________ 12.1. What do the ->, => and :: symbols mean? The -> is the "infix dereference operator". In other words it is the means by which one calls a sub with a pass by reference (among other things you can do with ->). As stated above most things in calls to perl/Tk routines are passed by reference. The -> is used in perl just as in C or C++. (Most of the widget primitives are elements of the Tk:: "perl class".) A simple example of dereferencing would be: $x = { def => bar }; # $x is a reference to an anon. hash print $x->{def},"\n"; # prints ``bar'' Note that in the case of calling perl/Tk subs there may be more than one way to call by reference. Compare my($top) = MainWindow->new; with my($top) = new MainWindow; But in general you will be making extensive use of calls like: $top -> Widge-type; There is a clear and succint discussion of references, dereferences, and even closures in man perlref(1) or see the perl 5 info page at: http://www.metronet.com/perlinfo/perl5.html The use of the => operator is quite common in perl/Tk scripts. Quoting from man perlop(1): The => digraph is simply a synonym for the comma operator. It's useful for documenting arguments that come in pairs. You could say that => is used for aesthetic or organizational reasons. Note in the following how hard it is to keep track of whether or not every -option has an argument: $query -> Button(-in,\$reply,-side,'left',-padx,2m,-pady, 2m,-ipadx,2m,-ipady,1m)->pack(-side,'bottom'); As opposed to: $query ->Button( -in => \$reply, -side => 'left', -padx => 2m, -pady => 2m, -ipadx => 2m, -ipady => 1m )->pack(-side => 'bottom'); By the way if you wanted the numeric "greater than or equal" you would use >= not =>. While the :: symbol can be thought of as similar to the period in a C struct, it is much more akin to the :: class scope operator in C++: a.b.c; /* something in C */ a::b::c(); // function in C++ $a::b::c; # a scalar in Perl 5 @a::b::c; # a list in Perl 5 %a::b::c; # an associative array or "hash" in Perl 5 &a::b::c; # a function in Perl 5 It is also analogous to the single forward quotation mark in perl 4: $main'foo; # a $foo scalar in perl 4 $main::foo; # a $foo scalar in Perl 5 For backward compatibility perl 5 allows you to refer to $main'foo but $main::foo is recommended. ______________________________________________________________________ 12.2. What happened to the ampersands &? Perl 4 programmers especially may be surprised to find that as of Perl 5.0 the ampersand & may be omitted in a call to a subroutine if the subroutine has been declared before being used. Actually you can even get around the declare before omit ampersand rule by using the subs.pm pragma, or by pre-declaring (without defining) as in a script like: #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use Tk; sub Mysub; #pre-declare allows calling Mysub() ...Other main/Tk stuff - including call to Mysub() sans &... sub Mysub { ...Mysub stuff... } Note however that one place the \& reference is sometimes used in perl/Tk in the setting up a callback for a widget. Other references are possible: e.g. \$foo is a reference to the scalar variable $foo (this was true even under perl 4). ______________________________________________________________________ 12.3. What happened to the quotation marks? Perl 4 programmers especially may be surprised to find a serious dearth of quotation marks around strings in perl 5 scripts such as in perl/Tk. The "rules have been relaxed" somewhat for the use of quotation marks. Basically it is OK to leave them out if the context of the string in question is unambiguous. However, it never hurts to leave them in and may help readability. Here is Larry Wall's synopsis of the string situation: Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc Subject: Re: To string or not to string... In article <4e49fv$j0u@panix3.panix.com>, Andy Finkenstadt <genie@panix.com> wrote: ! Back when I was learning perl (after receiving a review copy of ! learning perl, and buying the real perl book, each from ORA), ! I always got bit by when I needed to use "strings" and when ! I could get away with bare_words within braces for associative ! arrays. (Yes, this is under 4.036 if it matters.) ! ! the most typical example would be: ! ! When must I use $assoc{"trailer"} and when can I get away with ! $assoc{trailer}? Similarly, $ENV{CONTENT_LENGTH} versus ! $ENV{"CONTENT_LENGTH"}? Unfortunately sometimes my strings ! end up being numbers in their own right, i.e.: $message{"0"} ! or $msg=0; $message{$msg}. Which is more appropriate, ! which are merely stylistic, and which are stricly perl5 ! features now that I'm upgrading most of my installations ! of perl. Perl 4 let you use a "bareword" for a string if it had no other interpretation. It would warn you under -w if you used a word consisting entirely of lower-case characters, since such a word might gain an interpretation someday as a keyword. Perl 5 still works the same way, but with several twists. 1. ) Since you can now call predeclared subroutines as though they were builtins, you have to worry about collisions with subroutine names too. However... 2. ) You can completely disallow the default interpretation of barewords by saying "use strict subs", which requires any such bareword to be a predeclared subroutine. But... 3. ) Overriding all that, Perl 5 (in recent versions) will FORCE string interpretation of any bare identifier used where a single hash subscript is expected, either within curlies or before a =>. (Those are the places you might usually want the old barewords anyway.) The upshot of these rules is that you can write Perl 5 with much less punctuation than Perl 4, yet also with less ambiguity. If you so choose. Larry Tcl programmers should note that in Perl the single quotation marks '' act much as the curly brace {} enclosure does in Tcl (no escaping special characters $@\ etc.). Whereas the double quotation marks "" allow for substitution of $variables (the rules are a little different between Tcl and Perl however). Note also that a frequently seen short hand in perl5/Tk scripts is the @list returned by qw(): @list = qw(zoom schwartz bufigliano); which is equivalent to: @list = split(' ','zoom schwartz bufigliano'); or more simply: @list = ('zoom','schwartz','bufigliano'); i.e. the qw/STRING/ @list is not equivalent to the quotation marks provided by q/STRING/, qq/STRING/, or qq(STRING)... There are, ironically enough, situations in perl/Tk where one needs to use quotation marks as in the following by post by <a904209@pluto.tiuk.ti.com>: Paul Wickman wrote in article <4b4o0fINNlu8@CS.UTK.EDU>: ! ! Why does the following statement work fine: ! !$day->pack(-before => $year, -side => 'left'); ! ! But the below generates the given error: ! !$day->pack(-after => $year, -side => 'left'); ! !Ambiguous use of after => resolved to "after" => at line 191. ! Because there is a sub after in scope, probably imported from Tk via use Tk;. There are two workrounds: use Tk qw(MainLoop exit ...); # just ones you use or $day->pack('-after' => $year, -side => 'left'); ______________________________________________________________________ 12.4. Must I use "my" on all my variables? If you use strict; (as recommended) the answer is "probably". This confines the variables names to your namespace - so your variable does not conflict with one in the module(s) your are using (you are at the least useing Tk;). my does "lexical scoping" on a variable rather than the "dynamic scoping" done by local (like auto variables in C). The difference between these two is that the scope of my $var is confined to the block (sub, if, foreach, etc.) in which it is declared and used, as opposedto local $iable which can propogate to all blocks called by the block in which it is declared. In general the confined scope of my $var means that its use will proceed quicker and more efficiently than local $iable. If you give a fully qualified variable name such as $main::var = 1; # No "my" needed Then no my $var is needed. However, the lexical scoping of my $var makes it preferable. If you choose to use my (as recommended) then beware that you should declare a variable my only at the first use (instantiation) of a variable. Consider yet another way to re-write the "Hello World!" script: #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w use strict; use Tk; my $main = new MainWindow; my $label = $main->Label(-text => 'Hello World!'); my $button = $main->Button(-text => 'Quit', -command => sub{exit}); $label->pack; #no "my" necessary here $button->pack; #or here MainLoop; Considering the finite number of names (in particular the high probability that a variable named $label or $button was used in one or more of the extensions to perl that you may be using) it helps one's programming to use strict; and declare variables yours alone with my. James M. Stern points out that redundant my declarations are not simply useless they can be dangerous as in the following script which will not work: #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w use strict; use Tk; my $main = new MainWindow; my $label = $main->Label(-text => 'Hello World!'); my $main; #WRONG: this $main overrides previous my $button = $main->Button(-text => 'Quit', #will now fail -command => sub{exit}); $label->pack; $button->pack; MainLoop; ______________________________________________________________________ 12.5. Is there a way to find out what is in my perl/Tk "PATH"? Presuming this question is asking for a little more than the answer you get when you type: ls perl5/lib/Tk/*.pm there are ways to find out what gets EXPORTED by Tk.pm. Use a script like: #!/usr/bin/perl use Tk; require 'dumpvar.pl'; dumpvar('Tk'); or more succintly at the shell command prompt: perl -e 'use Tk; require "dumpvar.pl"; dumpvar("Tk");' The advantage of using dumpvar over ls is that it gives you a brief summary of all the arguments your widgets want. Note that the output is many lines and you may wish to pipe through more or less. If you wish to determine the Configuration options a given widget accepts (and what the values are at a given point in a script) you may use the ->configure method with no arguments to retrieve the list of lists, as in this example: #!/usr/bin/perl use Tk; my $main = MainWindow -> new; my $scrl = $main -> Scrollbar('-orient' => 'horizontal'); @scrollconfig = $scrl -> configure; for (@scrollconfig) { print "@$_\n"; } etc. Such code is useful for development but is probably best left out, commented out, or switched out of "production line" code. ______________________________________________________________________ 12.6. What is the difference between use and require? The short answer is that something like: use Tk; is equivalent to: BEGIN { require "Tk.pm"; import Tk; } Hence the essential difference is that a mere require Tk; does not achieve the import of function/method names. The significance of this is that it allows one to call ->Button rather than having to call the fully qualified ->Tk::Button e.g.. For further details on this subject see man perlmod(1) or see Tom Christiansen's document at: ftp://ftp.perl.com/perl/info/everything_to_know/use_vs_require ______________________________________________________________________ 12.7. How do I change the cursor/color? Nick Ing-Simmons <nik@tiuk.ti.com> and others posted a series of answers to this type of question. In summary what they said was: Basically $mw->configure(-cursor => ... ); Unless you use one of built-in cursors it gets messy. Here copy of what Tk/demos/color_editor does: #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w use Tk; my $mw = MainWindow->new; $mw->configure(-cursor => ['@' . Tk->findINC('demos/images/cursor.xbm'), Tk->findINC('demos/images/cursor.mask'), 'red', 'green']); MainLoop; That says that argument to -cursor is a list of 4 things: 1. . Pathname to bitmap with '@' prepended to say it isn't a built in name (Using findINC to locate file relative to Tk install location.) 2. . Pathname to mask bitmap (no @ required) 3. . Foreground colour 4. . Background colour ! I want to remap it for the MainWindow ! and will be using a pixmap. You won't be using a Pixmap with normal X11. X11 allows *bitmap* with optional mask (another bitmap), and two colours. The optional nature of the mask means that a simple call with a list reference like: $mw->configure(-cursor => ['watch', 'red', 'blue']); should work alright. You may also obtain the value of the default cursor for a widget using something like ->optionGet. ______________________________________________________________________ 12.8. How do I ring the bell? The short answer is $widget -> bell; A slightly longer answer might include a fully functioning script: #!/usr/bin/perl use Tk; $main = MainWindow -> new; $butn = $main->Button(-text => 'bell') $butn->configure(-command => sub{ $butn->bell; }); $butn->pack(); MainLoop; An even longer answer would be a fully functioning script with a callback: #!/usr/bin/perl use Tk; $main = MainWindow -> new; $but = $main->Button(-text => 'bell', -command => sub{ringit($main)})->pack; MainLoop; sub ringit { my $m = shift; $m->bell; } Simon Galton <galtons@candu.aecl.ca> reminds us to be careful in that some systems remap this [the "console bell"] to anything from a digital sound to a flash on the screen. ______________________________________________________________________ 12.9. How do I determine the version of perl/Tk that I am running? With an up to date perl installation one may query the local perl setup and all extensions via the command: perldoc perllocal For the Tk extension: version numbering has changed recently and determining the version of perl/Tk that you are running now depends on what version you are running: Tk-b10++: Tk-b10 (and higher) has changed to $Tk::VERSION (rather than the older " $Tk:Version") to be consistent with other packages. Hence a short succinct way to tell which version you have installed (that works with Tk-b11 and Tk400.200) is: perl -MTk -e 'print $Tk::VERSION."\n"' Tk-b9.01: The version numbers as of Tk-b9.01 are stored in the following variables: Core Tk version : $Tk::version Tk patchLevel : $Tk::patchLevel library : $Tk::library perl/Tk Version : $Tk::Version At your shell prompt you could say something like the following to determine you perl/Tk Version: perl -e 'use Tk; print "$Tk::Version\n";' The switch to Tk-b9.01 from previous versions included a large number of method name changes. Nick was kind enough to include a b9names script in the distribution that assists with the job of updating your older scripts. See the b9names script for a rather complete discussion of the name changes. Geoffroy Ville also posted a notice of some of the changes. Here is a brief (and very incomplete!) summary: older Tk-b9.01++ packslaves pack('slaves') packpropagate pack('propagate') packForget pack('forget') pack('info') $w->delete if ($w); $w->destroy if ($w); Tk-b8(--): A little script (Tk_module) can tell you and return the value: #!/usr/bin/perl use Tk; local(*Tk_m) = \$Tk::Tk_module; print "$Tk_m\n"; Or more succintly say something like the following (at your shell prompt): perl -e 'use Tk; print "$Tk::Tk_module\n";' You can obtain the version of Tk in use with the following (at your shell prompt): perl -e 'use Tk; print "$Tk::tk_version\n";' where this command returned "4.0" when the previous one (or Tk_module) returned "b8". All Tk versions: Don't forget that you can always determine your Perl version/patchlevel/etc. with: perl -v (at the shell prompt - it's actually a little harder to get as much information from within a #!script.) As of perl 5.002 you can use perl -V to determine your perl Configuration. OZAWA Sakuro <ozawa@prince.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp> points out some ways to do it in a script: 1. '$]' holds the version number. 2. In Perl5, 'require NUMBER;' will complain if version is younger than NUMBER. (e.g. require 5.001;) 3. Of course, newly imported (and incompatible) features in newer scripts will bailout before execution if parsed by an old interpreter. Note that if you use English; then $PERL_VERSION holds the version number. To determine your MakeMaker version number try something like this (5.002): perl -MExtUtils::MakeMaker -e 'print "$ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION\n";' or this (5.001m ok): perl -e 'use ExtUtils::MakeMaker;print"$ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION\n";' or even this (older perls and MakeMakers): perl -e 'use ExtUtils::MakeMaker;print"$ExtUtils::MakeMaker::Version\n";' Please note that thoughout this FAQ document there are references to things like Tk-b10(++) or Tk-b10++ which roughly translated to use English; means something like "I think this will work with this version of Tk and (maybe) higher versions...". You might also see Tk-b8(--) which means something like "it worked with that old version and probably worked with prior versions and if you are stuck with an old Tk version you might have to do it this way...". ______________________________________________________________________ 12.10. How do I call perl from C? You need to see a recent copy of the perlembed(1) pod page. By "recent" it needs to be up to date with at least perl5.002. Borrowing from Jon Orwant's preamble to that document: Do you want to: Use C from Perl? Read (at least) the perlcall(1), the perlapi(1), the perlxs(1), the perlxstut(1), and the perlguts(1) manpages. Use C++ from Perl? Recent changes to MakeMaker will make this easier. Be sure you are familiar with the perlcall(1), the perlapi(1), the perlxs(1), the perlxstut(1), and the perlguts(1) manpages. Use an executable program from Perl? Read about backquotes ``, system(), and exec() built in perl functions. Try reading the perlfunc(1) manpage. Use Perl from Perl? Read about do, eval, use and require. The perlfunc(1) manpage discusses these. For complete scripts you may also make use of the backquotes ``, system(), or exec() built in perl functions, but you may take a performance hit in doing so (see perlfunc(1) for information). Use C from C? Rethink your design. Use C++ from C++? See previous. Use Perl from C? Read (at least) the perlembed(1) and the perlguts(1) manpages. Use Perl from C++? Read (at least) the perlembed(1) and the perlguts(1) manpages. There is also an Doug MacEachern's <dougm@osf.org> embedder's development kit on CPAN and at a URL of the following form: http://www.osf.org/~dougm/perl/Devel-embed-*.tar.gz or http://www.perl.com/cgi-bin/cpan_mod?module=ExtUtils::embed ______________________________________________________________________ 12.11. How do I call Tcl code from perl/Tk? Assuming that you have a pressing need to call Tcl from perl/Tk then one "official way" to so would be via the ->send() and the ->Receive() methods. It is also worth noting that you can still have access to a complete Tcl script from perl via the perl system, or `` (backtick), or even exec mechanisms. Just be careful with I/O waits and return values if you try one of these approaches. Further suggestions may be found in the various perlipc files at: ftp://ftp.perl.com/perl/info/everything_to_know/ A more satisfactory Tcl/Tk-wish-like behavior can be embedded in perl by making appropriate modifications to Dov Grobgeld's perl script that uses sockets for perl<->wish communication: #!/usr/local/bin/perl ##################################################################### # An example of calling wish as a subshell under Perl and # interactively communicating with it through sockets. # # The script is directly based on Gustaf Neumann's perlwafe script. # # Dov Grobgeld dov@menora.weizmann.ac.il # 1993-05-17 ##################################################################### $wishbin = "/usr/local/bin/wish"; die "socketpair unsuccessful: $!!\n" unless socketpair(W0,WISH,1,1,0); if ($pid=fork) { select(WISH); $| = 1; select(STDOUT); # Create some TCL procedures print WISH 'proc echo {s} {puts stdout $s; flush stdout}',"\n"; # Create the widgets print WISH <<TCL; # This is a comment "inside" wish frame .f -relief raised -border 1 -bg green pack append . .f {top fill expand} button .f.button-pressme -text "Press me" -command { echo "That's nice." } button .f.button-quit -text quit -command { echo "quit" } pack append .f .f.button-pressme {top fill expand} \\ .f.button-quit {top expand} TCL # Here is the main loop which receives and sends commands # to wish. while (<WISH>) { chop; print "Wish sais: <$_>\n"; if (/^quit/) { print WISH "destroy .\n"; last; } } wait; } elsif (defined $pid) { open(STDOUT, ">&W0"); open(STDIN, ">&W0"); close(W0); select(STDOUT); $| = 1; exec "$wishbin --"; } else { die "fork error: $!\n"; } Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> has a "ptcl.h" header file for the construction of tcl bindings from pTk (there are limitations to this approach). It was posted to the mailing list archive at: http://sun20.ccd.bnl.gov/~ptk/archive/ptk.1995.11/0057.html If you absolutely must pass large amounts of pre-parsed data between Tcl and perl then perhaps you should look into Malcolm Beattie's Tcl/Tk extensions to Perl instead. Those modules are distrubuted at CPAN sites. As mentioned above running Tcl/Tk/perl is incompatible with running perl/Tk.