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Subject: alt.music.marillion FAQ [2/2]
This article was archived around: 13 Oct 1998 08:08:15 -0700
Maintainer: Jeroen Schipper
Copyright: (C) 1992-1997 Jeroen Schipper
= MARILLION FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS =
Part 2 of 2
Subject: 3.15 What's a raincheck?
In the song Sugar Mice, Fish explains that "daddy took a raincheck". A
raincheck is something that is given out:
- At events when it rains, like a baseball game. Usually it means the
game is being cancelled at the current time, and the raincheck will
allow you into the rescheduled game.
- When you go to buy something at a store and it is on sale. If
something is supposed to be on sale, but it's sold out, they can
give you a raincheck to pick the item up later at the sale price.
- When talking about social occasions, as in "Would you like to come
over for a drink?" "No thanks, I'll take a raincheck"
meaning either a) Can't do it right now, how about later. or b) a
polite way of saying bugger off.
Fish's use of the term "raincheck" goes even further. "Your daddy took a
raincheck", implies that "daddy" has no intentions of fulfilling his duties
and living up to his responsibilities (as a father?) at this time. (And
perhaps never will in the future either...) This is a key point. Daddy
is bowing out to his real or perceived pressures and leaving without any
excuses or other reasons. He just can't cope with his responsibilities, so
he takes a raincheck. So mom is left to raise the kids on her own, and
left to explain to the kids why dad left. Dad at this point, has lots of
problems of his own, and is a victim of society. He lost his job and spends
all of his time at the bar ("I'm number one at the end of the bar")... He
took a raincheck... Quite the powerful imagery, really...
Subject: 3.16 Alternative Misplaced Childhood?!?!?! Please elaborate!!!!!!
The alternative part 1 to Misplaced Childhood is a non definite version of
Misplaced Childhood. It has other lyrics and slightly different music. It
was tried out on public in the beginning of 1985, as to check out how the
public's attitude was towards the new album. The different lyrics are mostly
Kayleigh, which sounds very different (and refreshing!). 'Lavender' was
missing in the early versions of MC.
The alternative MC is only available on bootlegs, like Garden Party UK 84
and Childhood Rehearsels.
Subject: 3.17 What's the Heart of Lothian and the Royal Mile?
Lothian is the county/district in which Edinburgh is. Lothian is divided
in three parts: East, West and Mid. Dalkeith and Edinburgh are in MidLothian.
Saying you have a heart of Lothian is just saying where you come from.
However, there is also a 'real' Heart of Lothian:
The 'Heart of Lothian', full name 'Heart of Midlothian', is a mozaic heart
inlaid into the pavement (i.e. sidewalk) halfway up the Royal Mile in
Edinburgh, the nearest city to Fish's hometown of Dalkeith. The heart is
traditionally spat into when you walk past it, and is a symbol of local
pride. One of the Edinburgh football (i.e. soccer) teams was named 'Heart
of Midlothian' after it and Sir Walter Scott wrote a novel of the same
name last century. The Royal Mile, which is also referred to in the song
and is otherwise known as the High Street, is an, unsurprisingly, mile
long road that leads from Edinburgh Castle to Holyrood Palace in
Edinburgh. Holyrood House/Palace is the monarch's residence when he/she
visits, and the site of the annual Edinburgh Royal Garden Party. The Royal
Mile is no longer the main shopping street (that's Princes' Street), but
it is the heart of the city during the Edinburgh Festival, and is lined
with singularly picturesque buildings.
Also: Heart of Midlothian is a professional football team (soccer for you
yanks!) in Edinburgh, commonly known as Hearts. Fish is a fan of one of
Edinburgh's other teams, Hibernian, as you may have heard on the Electric
Bear CD where he refers to one of their very rare successes.
Even more: "The Heart of Midlothian" is a novel by Sir Walter Scott. He
also wrote "Ivanhoe." Maybe you've seen the movie of that? It's very good,
and the book is very good as well. In the book, Midlothian is the name of
a prison. I don't know if this is or was an actual prison in Scotland. I
think it's possible Fish was referring to the book when he wrote the song
"Heart of Lothian," but more likely he was only thinking of the heart of
Lothian that was mentioned here earlier, which is some kind of heart
embedded in the royal mile in Scotland.
And more info on the Heart of Lothian, added later:
1. The Heart of Midlothian was a real prison, pre-dating the book, heart in
the street, football club and song. It is this prison that Walter Scott
writes about, those as far as I know the events are fictious.
2. Given the wide number of uses of the phrase (book, football, etc)
(especially in that area of Scotland) I suspect Fish is merely using it as a
form of joke - using a familiar phrase twisted to his own meaning.
3. The Scots in general are very proud of their country and their home-town.
"I was born with a Heart of Lothian" is very much an echo of this pride, and
the nationalism that Fish has supported and encouraged since going solo.
4. Finally the phrase fits in well with the albums general theme (especially
side one) of "Happy Childhood, Unhappy Adulthood". Fish spent most of his
adult life (until quitting Marillion) outside Lothian, and the song is a
reference to a more happy time. Perhaps in retrospect we can see it as the
first signs of an unhappiness with Marillion?
Subject: 3.18 Three Boats from the Candy is WHERE?
An explanation of the B'Sides track title "Three Boats Down from the Candy":
The song is about one-night stands, and in particular making love on
Brighton beach. The title refers to the girl in the story wanting a
memory of the night, however the boat next to them doesn't have a
name, the nearest one is named "The Candy" which is three boats away.
There is another explanation, maybe it's just a viewpoint at another level.
Fish once introduced the song during a concert with this explanation (not
the litteral transcription though):
"It's about those corporate Christmas party-type things where
opposite-sex coworkers often become drunk and, er, "sexually active"?
It's about friendships that get lost though stuff like that. I believe
"candy" is a reference to total happiness in a relationship, and "3
Boats Down" (besides being a metaphor for being
'so-close-and-yet-so-far' from "the candy") is a reference to the idea
that this particular party is supposed to be held on a beach, or
someone's ocean-front estate or something. So, this particular
incident between these two people is assumed to have occured in a boat."
Subject: 3.19 Fish shouts something at the beginning of Margaret, but what?
What he says is "Moira Anderson eat your heart out". Moira Anderson is
a Scottish middle-of-the-road singer, who sings, among other things,
cloyingly sweet versions of Scottish traditional songs. "Loch Lomond" is
exactly the sort of thing she would sing - hence Fish's comment.
Subject: 4.1 When and why did Fish leave Marillion?
Friday September 16, 1988 was a black day for Marillion fans. Fish
announced that he had left Marillion to start a solo career. It was
explained in a letter to the fanclub:
"During the process of writing the new album it became apparent
that differences, both musically and lyrically, between Fish and
the rest of the band were irreconcilable"
"I've had a brilliant 7 years with Marillion; however, recently the
musical directions of the band have diversified to such an extent
I realised the time had come to embark on a solo career"
The Fish-era was ended with the release of "The Thieving Magpie" which was
a double live album with tracks from 1982-1988, a thank-you to the fans.
Subject: 4.2 Who is Steve Hogarth and what did he do before Marillion?
After Fish left Marillion, the band started auditioning new singers to
fill the empty place. Not much luck until Steve Hogarth showed up. He got
the job, but asked for a week to think it over. He agreed and 'Hogy'
became the new singer of Marillion. He also plays some keyboards, even at
live concerts, but singing is more important. Mark Kelly still does most
of the keyboards.
Before Marillion, Hogarth sang in several bands including 'The Europeans'
(which was firsty called 'Motion Pictures') and 'How we Live'. He also
played all the keyboards on the Australian avante-pop band Do Re Mi's first
Here's a (pretty complete) discography of his pre-Marillion material:
DO RE MI
19?? Domestic Harmony CD Catalog CDV2367, Virgin UK
Line up: Ferg Harper : Bass, Lead and Backing Vocals
Steve Hogarth : Keys, Lead and Backing Vocals
Colin Woore : Guitar, Backing Vocals
Geoff Dugmore : Drums, Backing Vocals
7" 1982 The Animal Song/ Someone's Changing A&M AMS 9239
12" 1982 A.E.I.O.U (extended "Animal Soup")
Voice on the Telephone/
A.E.I.O.U (album version) A&M AMX 113
LP 1983 VOCABULARY A&M AMLX 68 558
12" 1983 American People/ Going to Work(long
version)/Someone's Changing/ New
Industry A&M AMX 158
7" 1983 American People/ Going to Work A&M AMS ???
?? 1983 A Side recognition (US Remix) AMX 138A
?? 1983 AA Side recognition (European Remix) AMX 138A
7" 1984 Recognition/ New Industry A&M AMS 9714
LP 1984 LIVE (Limited Edition) A&M SCOT 1
7" 1984 Acid Rain/ edits from Recurring
Dreams A&M FREE 1 (promo)
LP 1984 RECURRING DREAMS A&M AMA 5034
7" 1984 Listen/ Climb The Wall A&M 201
12" 1984 Listen/ Climb The Wall (Clear Vinyl) A&M 201
HOW WE LIVE
7" 1986 Working Girl/ In The City Portrait HWL1
MC 1986 Working Girl/ & Interview (promo) Portrait XPC 650088
12" 1986 All the Time In the World/ All the
Time (7" vers.)/ Lost At Sea Portrait PRT 650088 6
7" 1986 All the Time In the World/ Lost at Sea Portrait PRT 650088 7
LP 1987 DRY LAND Portrait PRT 450618 1
12" 1987 Games In Germany/ Lost At Sea/ India Portrait PRT ????????
Subject: 4.3 What is a banquo?
In the song Uninvited Guest Hogarth sings: "I'm the Banquo at your
In Shakespeare's Macbeth, Banquo is one of Macbeth's friends. Eventually
(you'll have to read the whole thing to find out the details) Macbeth has
him killed. Later, Banquo's ghost (or many say just a 'mad vision' of a
ghost that Macbeth has) shows up at a banquet he is holding in honor of
Macbeth's ascension to the Scottish throne. Macbeth goes crazy, because he
thought he had had Banquo killed. It's a great play (plug) as is just
about anything by Shakespeare (plug plug). A must-read for anyone who just
LOVES Hogarth's (or John Helmer's) lyrics. :)
Subject: 4.4 What is a fifteen stone first-footer?
Also from Uninvited guest: "I'm your fifteen stone first-footer".
First-footer is a Scottish term relating to the New Year (Hogmanay). A
first-footer is a person who is the first person to enter your house on
January 1st. That persons would be about 15 stone (which is 15 * 14 = 210
pounds). When this person comes into your house, you must give him all the
food he/she wants! In other words, after The Bells (midnight on 31
December) you have to ensure that your "first footer" is a tall person who
should be carrying a small lump of coal, which would traditionally go onto
your fire (remember it's cold and dark at New Year in Scotland!). The
early hours of 1 January are traditionally spent going from house to house
in your neighbourhood visiting people and welcoming in the New Year
Subject: 4.5 Will there be a reunion show with Fish?
There has been a rumor that EMI once suggested a reunion show. Rothery and
Kelly were vehemently against it, Hogarth and Trewavas were for it, and
Mosley was ambivalent, so they decided to can the idea. It's not totally
impossible there'll be a reunion show, but don't wait up...
The closest thing to a reunion was a charity single that both Fish and
Marillion took part in. The single "Sailing" (by Rock Against
Repatriation) was recorded on two days, many British bands and singers
took part. Marillion and Fish were invited to come on different days,
Marillion was not informed that Fish also took part, and Fish wasn't
informed about Marillion as well...
Subject: 4.6 Who is Privet Hedge?
Cristopher Hedge (which is his real name) has been with the band for many
years and he takes care of the sound at concerts (at the mixing table) and
also in the studio. There is an interview in Fanzine 2 of the Dutch Marillion
Fanclub (spring '92). It is mainly about the kind of equipment he uses.
Privet is an actual word and it is a small shrub or bush that is used for
hedges around yards. Not surprisingly it's mainly a british word.
PRIVET n. any of a genus of shrubs or trees of the olive family, with
bluish-black berries and spikes of white flowers, often grown for
hedges. Also called Lingustrum vulgare (the common privet).
So the name Privet is a nickname given jokingly because of the guy's
Subject: 4.7 What's Brave all about?
Here are some fragments from an on-stage interview with Hogarth and Pete
Trewavas, that was done before the album was released:
(To Pete:) "Can you describe the new album?". Pete starts talking about the
music: "Brave" is gonna be a concept album like Misplaced_CH, one long
piece of music. Quite specific, he said it was gonna be 64 minutes (yeah!).
It has 19 tracks, some of which are just bridges between the real songs.
And there are no hitsingles on it, they're pretty much doing what they
(To Hogarth:) "What's the album lyrically about?". Hogy tells a long story:
He lived in Bath (I think it was) for a while and one day he heard a police
message on the radio. The police had found a young girl wandering on a
highway bridge (which is illegal). The girl was in some kind of shock
and wouldn't talk at all, so the police didn't know her name. That's why
they were asking on the radio if anybody knew that girl. This what the
album is about, Hogy said he was very touched by this. And before he gave
back the microphone he said "and may I add that this is just gonna be
he best piece of music we've ever made!".
Initially the title of the album was "Severn", as the highway bridge
mentioned above was a bridge over the river Severn.
Subject: 4.8 Who's John Helmer?
John Helmer has written several lyrics for Marillion since Fish left. He
already write some lyrics before Hogarth joined the band. Hogarth writes
many lyrics as well, but John Helmer is always around to help out (which
is why Hogy has referred to him as "John Helper" ;). Most of the lyrics
to Seasons End were written by John Helmer.
The following info is supplied by Jonathan, a friend of John Helmer:
John Helmer did his degree (in English I think) at Sussex University at the
same time he played in a band in Brighton the "Piranhas" - he was a
guitarist/vocalist/songwriter. They had a hit with "Tom Hark" then JH left
to form 'Pookiesnackenburger' with Nick Dwyer, who was from another
Brighton band "Nicky and the dots". This band had a sort of rock comedy TV
series and did a Heineken ad for tv, playing the trashcans (as you would
say in the US, dustbins over here). Nick is now in Stomp and John, of
course writes lyrics. I was introducing John to the Internet after
watching 'The Lambrettas' and thought, having had a few beers, that I ought
to add something. I have no news of future lyrics or Marillion events but
John is trying to get his first novel published.
Subject: 4.9 What is the French bit that's in between CSB and Beautiful?
The French bit:
"Le soleil emergea de la montagne, les vagues se deroulerent sur la
baie, de fabuleux oiseaux de couleurs flamboyantes s'envolerent. Et
bien, nous sommes tous de jolis anges ensemble au paradis. Couche-toi
mon cheri tu vas bien apprecier cela."
The litteral English translation:
"And the sun rises over the mountain, and the waves crash on the bay,
and marvellous birds of bright colours fly away from the forest. And
she says we are all pretty angels together in paradise. Lie down my
dear you will enjoy this."
Subject: 4.10 I heard something of a Brave movie?
Yes, there is a movie that was made after the release of Brave. The backcover
of the box says:
"Brave... The Movie is a fifty minute concept film directed by cult movie
director Richard Stanley. It is Stanley's stark vision of young life in
the 90's inspired by Marillion's album of the same name, which centres
around a teenage girl (Josie Ayers) who is found wandering in a state of
amnesia on the Severn Bridge, and her consequent search for her past.
Although this story bears similarities to actual recorded incidents in the
history of the Severn Bridge we wish to stress that this is a work of
fiction. In addition to the film, this programme includes a thirty minute
documentary on the making of Brave along with behind the scenes footage.
WATCH IT LOUD WITH THE LIGHTS OFF"
It was broadcast by a German television channel (RTL+), which has some
German subtitles, but has all the original soundrecordings.
It has also aired (at least) once in the UK, on a program called "Cue
the Music" which was a late night music show on ITV (or HTV).
Tony Wood: 'I remember there being adverts in it) and I think they had cut
some of it. IIRC it was not explicitly listed as "Brave - the movie" but
it was shown in a series of music programs along the lines of "In
Concert" and it was only when you read further in the listing it told
you what it was.'.
The released version is censored, some scenes were rather shocking. In one
scene Steve Hogarth is raping the girl, in another scene a drugs needle is
inserted in her arm. These scenes are cut in the commercial version that is
in the stores, but these scenes still existed in the version that was on
Subject: 4.11 Isn't The Rakes Progress a painting?
There was an article in one of the Sunday papers last week about the
artist William Hogarth, who - many freaks point out - was the man behind The
Rakes Progress. The Rakes P is actually a series of 9 paintings (ok, I thought
it was a book). A rake is a 'debauchee or immoral man', as my dictionary
would have it, and the paintings tell the story of the young man who is
heir to his father's estate, but who squanders all the money and gambles to
repay his creditors, whilst getting even further in debt. Eventually he
ends up in a debtors prison with a fainting mistress and her illegitimate
child, with more people demanding their money from him.
Subject: 5.1 What studio albums and singles were released?
Not even close to a discography, but a head start anyway. This list is not
in exact chronological order, but pretty close. All albums are in
CAPITALS, singles are not.
MARILLION WITH FISH:
1982 Market Square Heroes/Three Boats Down From the Candy/Grendel
1983 SCRIPT FOR A JESTER'S TEAR
Side 1: Script for a Jester's Tear/He Knows You Know/The Web
Side 2: Garden Party/Chelsea Monday/Forgotten Sons
1983 He Knows You Know/Charting the Single
1983 Garden Party/Margaret
Side 1: Assassing/Punch and Judy/Jigsaw/Emerald Lies
Side 2: She Chameleon/Incubus/Fugazi
1984 Punch and Judy/Market Square Heroes/Three Boats down from the Candy(*)
1984 Assassing/Cinderella Search
1984 REAL TO REEL (live)
Side 1: Assassing/Incubus/Cinderella Search/Emerald Lies (**)
Side 2: Forgotten Sons/Garden Party/Market Square Heroes
1985 MISPLACED CHILDHOOD
Side 1: Pseudo Silk Kimono/Kayleigh/Lavender/Bitter Suite
i) Brief Encounter ii) Lost Weekend iii) Blue Angel
iv) Misplaced Rendezvous V) Windswept Thumb/
Heart of Lothian i) Wide Boy ii) Curtain Call
Side 2: Waterhole (Expresso Bongo)/Lords of the Backstage/
Blind Curve i) Vocal Under A Bloodlight ii) Passing
Strangers iii) Mylo iv) Perimeter Walk v) Threshold
Childhood's End?/White Feather
1985 Kayleigh/Lady Nina (the 12" also featured a remix of Kayleigh)
The single version of Kayleigh is a little different from the
album version, with a shorter guitar solo.
1985 Lavender/Freaks/Lavender Blue(12" only) (Lavender is a little different
than the album version (longer guitar solo))
1985 Heart of Lothian/Chelsea Monday (live) (the 12" has an instrumental
version of Windswept Thumb as intro)
1986 Lady Nina/Heart of Lothian (rerelease only in USA)
1986 BRIEF ENCOUNTER (live) (LP only)
Side 1: Lady Nina/Freaks/Kayleigh (Live)
Side 2: Fugazi (Live)/Script For A Jester's Tear (Live)
1987 CLUTCHING AT STRAWS
Side 1: Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night
(The Short Straw)/Going Under(**)/Just For The Record/
Side 2: Incommunicado/Torch Song/Slainte Mhath/Sugar Mice
The Last Straw/(Happy Ending)
1987 Incommunicado/Going Under/Alternative Incommunicado (12" only)
1987 Sugar Mice/Tux On
1987 Warm Wet Circles(***)/White Russian (live)
1988 B'SIDES THEMSELVES
Side 1: Grendel/Charting the Single/Market Square Heroes
Three Boats Down From the Candy
Side 2: Cinderella Search/Lady Nina/Freaks/Tux On/Margaret(Live)
1988 THE THIEVING MAGPIE (LA GAZZA LADRA) (live)
Side 1: Intro (La Gazza Ladra)/Slainte Mhath/He Knows You Know
Side 2: Misplaced Childhood Part 1 and 2 (part 2 only on the CD)
Side 3: Jigsaw/Punch & Judy/Sugar Mice/Fugazi
Side 4: Script For A Jester's Tear/Incommunicado/White Russian
(*) The versions of Market Square Heroes and Three_BdftC on this B-Side
differ from the 'original' single release. These are the versions
that ended up on B-Sides themselves.
(**) Only on the CD and tape.
(***) This version differs than the version on Clutching_aS
MARILLION WITH HOGARTH:
1989 SEASONS END
Side 1: The King Of Sunset Town/Easter/The Uninvited Guest
Side 2: Holloway Girl/Berlin/After Me(*)/Hooks In You/The Space
1989 Hooks in You/After Me
1989 Uninvited Guest/The Bell in the Sea
1990 Easter/The Release
1991 HOLIDAYS IN EDEN
Side 1: Splintering Heart/Cover My Eyes (Pain And Heaven)
The Party/No One Can
Side 2: Holidays In Eden/Dry Land/Waiting To Happen/This Town
The Rakes Progress/100 Nights
1991 Cover My Eyes (Pain and Heaven)/How Can it Hurt
1991 No One Can/A Collection
1991 Dry Land/Holloway Girl
1992 Sympathy/Kayleigh (live w/Hogarth)
1992 A SINGLES COLLECTION
Side 1: Cover my Eyes (Pain and Heaven)/Kayleigh/Easter
Warm Wet Circles/Uninvited Guest/Assassing/Hooks in You
Side 2: Garden Party/No One Can/Incommunicado/Dry Land/Lavender
I Will Walk on Water/Sympathy
1992 LIVE AT THE BORDERLINE (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3)
Splintering Heart/Easter/King of Sunset Town/Waiting to Happen/
Sympathy/Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart of Lothian/Uninvited Guest/
Slainte Mhath/The Release/Hooks in You/Garden Party
1992 LIVE AT CARACAS (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3)
Splintering Heart/Holidays In Eden/Script For A Jester's Tear
Easter/Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time Of The Night
Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart Of Lothian/Cover My Eyes/Slainte Mhath
The Space/Waiting To Happen/Hooks In You
1993 LIVE AT GLASGOW BARROWLANDS (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3)
King of Sunset Town/Slainte Mhath/Uninvited Guest/Easter/
Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night/Holloway Girl/
(Emanuel)/Seasons End/Berlin/The Space
1994 The Great Escape/Made Again/Marouatte Jam (**)
Bridge/Living with the big Lie/Runaway/Goodbye to all That/
Hard as Love/The Hollow Man/Alone Again in the Lap of Luxury/
Paper Lies/Brave/The Great Escape/Made Again
1994 Hollow Men/Made Again/Marouatte Jam
1994 Hollow Men/The Great Escape (orchestral version)/
Winter Trees (solo by Steve Rothery)
1995 Beautiful / Live Forever / Great Escape (demo) / Hard as Love (demo)
1995 Beautiful / Afraid of Sunrise /Icon
1995 AFRAID OF SUNLIGHT
Gazpacho/Cannibal Surf Babe/Beautiful/Afraid of Sunrise/
Out of this World/Afraid of Sunlight/Beyond You/King
(*) Only on the CD.
(**) Only released in Holland
1996 MADE AGAIN
Splintering Heart / Easter / No one can / Waiting to happen /
Cover my eyes / The Space / Hook in You / Beautiful / Kayleigh /
Lavender / Afraid of sunlight / King
1997 BEST OF BOTH WORLDS
Side 1: (The Fish Years)
Script for a Jester's tear / Market Square Heroes /
He knows, you know / Forgotten Sons / Garden Party / Assassing /
Punch & Judy / Kayleigh / Lavender / Heart Of Lothian /
Incommunicado / Warm Wet Circles / That time of the night / Sugar Mice
Side 2: (The Hogarth Years)
Uninvited Guest / Easter / Hooks in You / The Space / Cover my Eyes /
No One Can / Dry Land / Waiting to Happen / Great Escape / Alone
Again in the Lap of Luxury / Made Again / King / Afraid of Sunlight /
Beautiful / Cannibal Surfer Babe
1997 THIS STRANGE ENGINE
Man of a Thousand Faces / One Fine Day / 80 Days / Estonia / Memory of Water
Accidental Man / Hope for the Future / This Strange Engine
Bonus on Japanese version: Beautiful (live) / Made Again (live)
1997 Man of a Thousand Faces / Beatiful / Made Again / Man of a Thousand Faces (Ext)
Subject: 5.2 What books are there on Marillion/Fish?
This listing contains some information on the 3 books that are available
on Marillion and Fish (currently nothing on Fish solo).
Title : Marillion in Words and Pictures
Author : Carol Clerk
Published by : Bobcat Books: London, 1985
ISBN : 0.7119.0768
Order No : OP 43512
Other : Softcover, 47 pages
Approx. price: US$5.95
Book sales Limited
8/9 Frith St.
London W1V 5TZ, UK
This book is mostly color and black and white photos of the band,
especially Fish, in concert and just hanging out. But it also gives
a good overview of the band's history from the early days through
the release of Misplaced Childhood. Some of its highlights are
the recipe for Grendels, an explanation of the Fish/Derek conflict,
and some insights into "The Web" and Misplaced Childhood.
Title : The Script: An illustrated biography
Author : Clive Gifford
Publisher : Omnibus Press, London, 1987
ISBN : 0.7119.1113.4
Order No : OP 44304
Other : Softcover 96 pages
Price : Approx. US$10.95
Book Sale Limited
8/9 Frith St.
London W1V 5TZ, UK
The Script is an illustrated bio of the group by Clive Gifford.
It's only 96 pages (with a lot of pictures), so it is not as
extensive as "Market Square Heroes". This book was written after
the release of "Misplaced Childhood," but before "Clutching at
Straws." It has a complete discography of all of Marillion's
singles, albums, videos, demos, bootlegs, promos, etc. with
descriptions of distinctive features of the work (i.e. picture
Title : Market Square Heroes: The Authorized Story of Marillion
Author : Mick Wall (foreword by Fish)
Publisher : Sidgwick and Jackson Limited
ISBN : 0-283-99426-6
Other : 310 pages
1 Tavistock Chambers, Bloomsbury Way
London WC1A 2SG
Market Square Heroes: The Authorized Story of Marillion is probably
the most informative of the Marillion books I've seen. It has the
least amount of pictures, but those they have are of a historical
nature. I'd say it is the most honest of the various books -- it's
a real biography, not just a cheap attempt to raise money off of
the fans. After reading the book, I felt I knew Fish, Steve
Rothery, Pete, Ian, and Mark. The book is tailored for the fan
however -- Mick Wall's appreciation of the band and the songs are
quite in evidence.
It has on the back cover that "The main reason the band and I
[Fish] wanted this book to be written, was because there's never
been anything published that truly got to grips with the real story
of Marillion." I'd agree.
If you are looking for facts on Marillion through the release of
Clutching at Straws, I'd recommend Market Square Heroes -- if you
want pictures of Fish and the band, go somewhere else . . .
Title : Marillion: `The Thieving Magpie' (La Gazza Ladra)
Author : Roger Day
Publisher : Wise Pulications, London 1989
ISBN : 0.7119.1837.6
Other : Order No. AM74758.
This book contains scores for everything on The Thieving Magpie,
including Freaks and the whole of Misplaced Childhood.
Title : Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Author : ? anyone know ?
Publisher : Chapell Music Ltd. 129 Park Strees, London, W1Y 3FA, UK
ISBN : 0 86359 288 0
Internationa Music Publications
Essex IG8 8HN, England
This book contains the scores and the lyrics of the whole Mispaced
Childhood album. First published in 1985.
Subject: 5.3 What videos are there?
Currently 7 videos exist, all of Marillion. Here's the listing:
Title : Recital of the Script
Time : 55:00
Script for a Jester's Tear / Garden Party / Chelsea Monday /
He Know You Know / Forgotten Sons / Market Square Heroes
Very good live video from a concert at the Hammersmith Odeon. It
says on the back:
"It was the night a dream came through - when two years of motorway
madness, greasy spoon meals, and interminable club gigs suddenly
all seemed worthwhile. Hammersmith Odeon - the oft-sought but
seldom attained aim of every rock band. A capacity audience
hanging on to every note and a massive stage for Marillion to
present their stunning visual theatrics in spectacular style.
Powerful, dramatic music; provocative lyrics and superlative
musicianship. A night to remember - for Marillion to savour with
understandable relish as a major milestone in their career"
Title : Grendel/The Web (EP)
Time : 29:00
Contains: Grendel/The Web (live)
This video has two live tracks; both were encores at the Hammersmith
Odeon concert of "Recital of the Script". It says on the back:
"'Grendel' was originally released on vinyl in October 1982 - our
first ever release on EMI - and an unplanned third encore at the
Hammersmith Odeon show in April 1983. 'The Web' has not been per-
formed live since this show....."
Title : 1982-86 The Videos
Time : 35:00
Market Square Heroes/He Knows You Know/Garden Party/Assassing/
Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart of Lothian/Lady Nina
All the videoclips up to 1986. Some are very good, especially Garden
Party is very funny.
Title : Incommunicado C/W Sugar Mice
Time : 8:46
Contains: Incommunicado/Sugar Mice (videoclips)
Title : Live from Loreley
Time : 87:00
Slainte Mhath / Assassing / Script for a Jester's Tear / Incubus / Sugar Mice
Hotel Hobbies / Warm Wet Circles / That Time of the Night / Kayleigh /
Lavender / Heart of Lothian / The Last Straw / Incommunicado
Good live video, recorded in St. Goarshausen (Germany) on July 18,
1987. It starts with "La Gazza Ladra" as intro and some backstage
Title : From Stoke Row to Ipanema
Time : 90:00
Hooks in You/Uninvited Guest (videoclips)
Eric (live rehearsal)
Hollywood Rock Festival, Brazil 1990
Kayleigh/Lavender/Hooks in You (live)
The Ultimate Gift (live rehearsal)
De Montfort Hall, Leicester, England, 24th April 1990
The King of Sunset Town/Easter/Holloway Girl/
Berlin/Season's End (live)
This video contains some interview with the band, especially to
introduce Steve Hogarth, who recently joined the band at this time.
Title : A Singles Collection
Time : 52:00
Sympathy / Cover My Eyes / No One Can / Dry Land / Hooks in You /
Uninvited Guest / Easter (with Hogarth)
Warm Wet Circles / Incommunicado / Kayleigh / Lavender / Assassing /
Garden Party (with Fish)
Once again a lot of videos, only the first 4 tracks were not released
on a video before. Accompanies the CD with the same name. In the
USA this video is called "Six of One, Half a Dozen of the Other"
Title : Kerrang! Metal Monsters
Catalog : R0471VH
This is a Kerrang! compilation tape (or video LP actually) that has
various video's, including He Knows You Know. Full tracklisting:
Iron Maiden - "Aces High"
Whitesnake - "Slow An' Easy",
Helix "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'"
Wendy O. Williams "It's My Life"
MARILLION "He Knows You Know"
Motorhead "Killed By Death"
Scorpions "Rock You Like A Hurricane"
W.A.S.P. "Love Machine"
Queensryche "Queen Of The Reich"
Armored Saint "Can U Deliver"
Alcatrazz "God Blessed Video"
Bon Jovi "Runaway"
Kiss "Heaven's On Fire"
Subject: 5.4 What's a bootleg?
A bootleg is a record that contains an illegal or unauthorized recording
of the band. They're also called "ROIO's": Recording Of Illegal/
Indeterminate Origin. These recordings are used to make LP's and in the
last few years CD's. Most have a catchy title and a nice photograph on the
front. How about the first Hogarth-Marillion CD bootleg, which is called
"Something Fishy Going On"....
The source of the recordings can vary from someone who taped a concert
with his walkman, to an original DAT recording directly from the equipment
of the band. Sometimes a radio broadcast is used. Quality of the bootleg
can vary from very poor to excellent.
Subject: 5.5 How many bootlegs are there?
There are many bootlegs on vinyl (LP), but I'm not sure how many exactly,
but it is around 250 boots. Far less bootlegs are available on CD,
currently there are 56 known bootlegs for both Fish and Marillion.
A full listing of these CD-bootlegs is available from the listserver, see
question 1.7 for info how to get it.
This listing contains info on date, time, label and location. It also
contains tracklistings and a short review of the disc.
The list of CD bootlegs is also available on WWW, point your browser
Subject: 5.6 Where can I buy bootlegs?
They're usually hard to get because bootlegs are illegal. But if you're
lucky, you can run into some at a record store. They're generally easier
to buy in Europe than the States.
Another way is to buy bootlegs is via mail-orders. Mail order companies
that carry Marillion and Fish boots are located in Germany and Italy, but
this changes often. Check specialized magazine's for ads, otherwise ask on
the list if anyone has more info. Sometimes bootlegs are even offered for
sale on the list.
The Marillion and Fish fanclubs also offer several 'official' bootlegs for
sale, more on this in question 6.2.
Subject: 6.1 Addresses of Marillion Fanclubs
The official Marillion fanclub network is called 'The Web'. This does
however not mean that the other fanclubs don't get support from the
band. After all... they are the biggest fans!
*** The Web UK
PO Box 252
PO Box 252
Note: The Web USA is now incorporated in the Web UK
*** The Web Holland
2740 AE Waddinxveen
Phone: +31 (70) 351 42 15 (only Tuesday between 20:00 and 22:00 CET)
Membership: Fl.24,00 (Dutch guilders) or Fl.29,00 if you don't live
*** The Web Europe
2740 AE Waddinxveen
Phone: +31 (70) 351 42 15 (only Tuesday between 20:00 and 22:00 CET)
Membership: Fl.29,00 (Dutch guilders)
*** The Web Germany
C/O J. & A. Backer
53581 Bad Honnef
Membership: 37,- DM (Germany) or 45,-DM (outside Germany)
*** The Bright Light
Club de fans de Marillion
Ap. de Correos 10034
E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com
Note: membership info is on the website, no translation:
"Si os quereis suscribir, la cuota es de 1.500 Pts por 4 fanzines que
recibireis periódicamente en casa (gastos de envío incluidos)."
*** Brave Hearts Collection
Attn. Annette Williams
19, Lilac Avenue,
Marillion fanzine/correspondence club, fanzine comes out
every three months.
*** Blue Angel
25.15 Avenue Cachin
*** Real to Read
c/o Monica Aprea
Via San Dionigi
42/62 - 20139 Milano MI
*** Forgotten Fans
Attn. Gustavo Castenetto
Don Torcuato (1611)
Subject: 6.2 What about the official bootlegs?
6.2 What about the official bootlegs?
Marillion have released a number of live CD's on their own label, called
Racket Records. The first one is called "Live at the Borderline" which was
recorded at the Borderline club in London at May 9, 1992. The second disc
is called "Live at Caracas" and was recorded in Caracas Venezuela on
September 30, 1992. The Caracas recording is much cleaner and according to
some better than the Borderline disc. Others prefer the Borderline disc
because it's closer to a 'real' live concert (i.e. it's not perfect). More
info is in the bootleg list (see chapter on bootlegs). The third disc is
called "Live at Glasgow Barrowlands", and is recorded on December 4, during
the Seasons End tour. A fourth double CD "marillionrochester" was issued as
a "thank you" each donator to the Tour Fund, and is a limited pressing not
availble for purchase. A fifth CD is planned from the "This Strange Tour"
and will be a 2-disc set, hopefully available some time in March of 1998.
Originally these were only available to fan club members for a limited
time, but on 23 January 1998 Racket Records set up The Racket Club Online
and re-released all Racket Records releases, available to everyone:
Subject: 7.1 I like Marillion. What other bands can you recommend?
There are many bands that make the same kind of music (often referred to
as "progressive rock") as Marillion. Here are some suggestions you may
want to check out:
Anglagard Genesis (?)
Arrakeen i.Q. (*)
Cathedral (US) Pendragon
Chandelier Pink Floyd (*)
Dream Theater (*) Rush (*)
Peter Gabriel (*) Shadowland
Galahad Twelfth Night
(*) has its own mailinglist.
This is just a small selection of many good bands that make great music.
Every now and then there is a discussion on the Freaks list on different
music than just Marillion/Fish. That's were I got some of the above
mentioned bands. Further you can check out the UseNet newsgroup
Subject: 7.2 How can I subscribe to another (related) musical mailinglist?
Here are the addresses of some of the most wanted mailinglists for Marillion
and Fish fans:
- Dream Theater:
Send mail to firstname.lastname@example.org with in the body of the message,
subscribe ytsejam your real name
The Genesis and also Peter Gabriel mailing list is called Paperlate.
To subscribe, just write a message containing 'subscribe paperlate' for
all the messages, or 'subscribe paperlate-digest' for the digest to
- Peter Gabriel:
To subscribe, send email...
Body: subscribe gabriel "your_name"
To post messages, send email...
To unsubscribe, send email...
Body: unsubscribe gabriel
- The iQ mailinglist
Send mail to email@example.com (Neil Durant) and ask to be included on
- Pink Floyd:
Send mail to firstname.lastname@example.org with in the body:
To subscribe in digest format, use "add-digest" instead of "add".
Send mail to email@example.com. The manager is:
For more info on the addresses of other musical mailinglists, get the Musical
List of Lists, maintained by Myro Wong. Send mail to
With a subject of "lomml" and in the body of the message:
and you'll get the latest version in your mailbox.
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